ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT


                                                  Date: May 12, 1995

   TO:       Vancouver City Council

   FROM:     Assistant Chief, Support Services
             Vancouver Fire & Rescue Services

   SUBJECT:  Annual Report from the Vancouver Fire & Rescue
             Services' Citizens' Advisory Committee



   INFORMATION

        The General Manager  of Fire & Rescue Services  submits this
        report for INFORMATION.


   COUNCIL POLICY

   Council, on  June 22,  1993, approved  the recommendation  of the
   City Manager to form  a Fire Department Advisory Committee.   The
   Committee would consist of  ten people from the community  and an
   Assistant Fire Chief as the Committee's Administrative Assistant.


   SUMMARY

   The Citizens' Advisory Committee (CAC) was formed by City Council
   Resolution on  June 22,  1993.   The first  meeting  was held  on
   February  9,  1994.   In the  year  that followed,  the Committee
   elected Dr. Tom Ward, Chairperson, developed and adopted terms of
   reference, met with  interested parties,  and reviewed  important
   documents  relating  to the  operation  of the  Vancouver  Fire &
   Rescue Services.  

   PURPOSE 

   The purpose of this report is to ensure Council is informed as to
   the activities  and progress of the  Citizens' Advisory Committee
   to the Fire Chief, Vancouver Fire & Rescue Services.

   BACKGROUND

   The  Citizens'  Advisory Committee  to  Vancouver  Fire &  Rescue
   Services  is a  result of  an action  approved  by Council.   The
   purpose of the Committee is to  work with and to develop a better
   partner-ship between  the community  and Vancouver Fire  & Rescue
   Services.
   DISCUSSION

   The Citizens' Advisory  Committee was formed by resolution of the
   Vancouver City Council  on June 2, 1993.  The  purpose of the CAC
   is  to  act in  advisory capacity  to the  Fire Chief  on matters
   related to  the development, operations and  future directions of
   the Vancouver  Fire Department.   The City Clerk's  office sought
   nominations from a number of public and private organizations for
   potential  members and  ten  individuals were  appointed by  City
   Council as Committee members in January of 1994 (Appendix A).

   The  first  meeting  was held  in  February  and regular  monthly
   meetings were held with the exception of July and August.  At the
   first  meeting, Chief  Maddess and  other  members of  the senior
   management team were introduced.  The initial meetings helped the
   committee members  to better understand the  Fire Department, its
   organization and  the  services it  delivers to  the citizens  of
   Vancouver.   Minutes from all committee meetings  are provided in
   (Appendix B).

   As  the  Committee became  more comfortable  with its  role, more
   detailed terms of reference  were developed and adopted (Appendix
   C).    Dr.  Tom Ward,  Vice  President  of  Medicine, St.  Paul's
   Hospital,  was elected as Chairman.   The new committee structure
   has  been in  effect since  May.   An integral component  of each
   meeting was a half-hour education program for Committee members.

   At the June meeting, the Committee dealt with a  number of issues
   and of these, three were of note.  Captain A. Benekritis provided
   an overview  of inspection functions within  the Fire Department.
   The Committee also had an opportunity to meet with the consultant
   involved in the  development of  the VFD's Strategic  Plan.   The
   Committee reviewed the planning process to date and discussed the
   opportunity for  the Committee  to have  input into  the process.
   The  last major item was the distribution of a benchmarking study
   of Fire Department's through the United States.  This study is an
   important  document which deals with  a number of  issues such as
   staffing, populations  and area coverages,  etc.    CAC adjourned
   for the summer months.

   The September  meeting was devoted to  reviewing the departmental
   strategic  plan.    Comments  from  CAC  were  collected  by  the
   consultants for discussion at a future departmental next planning
   retreat.   Highlights of the  October meeting included  a tour of
   the HazMat van.   CAC also  had an opportunity  to meet with  the
   executive of the local union.  This initial meeting provided both
   groups a  chance to learn more about the role of each in relation
   to the  Department and the  City.   At the November  meeting, the
   Committee  toured the  new  Dispatch Centre.    In addition,  the
   Committee  met with Dr.  J. Freeman, an  emergency room physician
   who is developing  a research study which will evaluate Vancouver
   Fire & Rescue  Services' First  Responder Program.   A number  of
   questions and                                                    
                                                                    
                
   suggestions  were  presented  to  Dr.  Freeman.    Two  Committee
   members, Dr. T. Ward and  W. Gill, agreed to discuss the proposed
   project in more  detail with  Dr. Freeman.   A Committee  member,
   Chris Smith, shared  his experiences of spending an  evening with
   one  of  the fire  crews.    The Committee  also  heard  from two
   individuals  who  attended a  workshop  on  the consolidation  or
   merger  of fire  services.   This  is an  important issue,  and a
   regular topic of discussion by the Committee.  Additionally,  CAC
   also received  several reports from  the Fire Department  and the
   union local.   Reports received  covered both the  Vancouver Riot
   and the Wheat Pool fire.

   The  first year was very  much a learning  and organizational one
   for  the  Committee and  the  Vancouver  Fire  Department.    All
   Committee members  participated actively in the  evolution of the
   Committee  and  have  made   an  important  contribution  to  the
   Vancouver  Fire Depart-ment's  delivery  of service  in the  past
   year.  CAC  wishes to recognize the openness  and interest of the
   VFD  senior management  team  and, particularly,  the support  of
   Chief Maddess.

   In  the coming year,  CAC will  be working  to raise  its profile

   within Vancouver  and will  continue to explore  opportunities to
   enhance its  effectiveness.  CAC  also wishes to  acknowledge the
   support of  City  Council in  the  development of  the  Citizens'
   Advisory  Committee.  We are  looking forward to  an exciting and
   productive year.


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                               APPENDICES


   1.   APPENDIX  A    Committee member appointed by Council



   2.   APPENDIX  B    Minutes of the meetings
                       1.   February 16, 1994
                       2.   March 10, 1994
                       3.   April 13, 1994
                       4.   May 11, 1994
                       5.   June 06, 1994
                       6.   September 14, 1994
                       7.   October 12, 1994
                       8.   November 09, 1994
                       9.   December 14, 1994



   3.   APPENDIX  C    New terms of reference developed by the
                       Committee



                                                          APPENDIX A



                1994 FIRE DEPARTMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                        RECOMMENDED APPOINTMENTS

         Candidates           Nominated By:        Term Ends


    BUCHANAN, William         Liquid Air Ltd.             February 1, 1995
      (Bill) E.

      FISK, Danny, CIM          Building Owners and         February 1, 1996
                                Managers' Association

      GILL, Dr. Warren G.,      Simon Fraser University     February 1, 1995
      PH.D.                     at Harbour Centre

      KELLAM, Douglas           Downtown Eastside           February 1, 1996
                                Residents Association

      LAU, Tony K., BA, MA,     Centennial Toastmasters     February 1, 1995
      CLU, CHFC, CAIB, CTM

      MACKINNON, Edward N.,     Architectural Institute     February 1, 1996
      MAIBC, MRAIC, CP          of B.C.

      MOSER, Wayne L.           Canadian Paraplegic         February 1, 1996
                                Association (B.C.)

      MURA, Marilyn E.                                      February 1, 1996

      SMITH, J. Chris           Association of              February 1, 1995
                                Neighbourhood Houses

      WARD, Dr. Thomas F.,      Saint Paul's Hospital       February 1, 1995
      MD, FRCP(C), DHSA
                                                                   APPENDIX B.1 
                                                         Page 1 of 5


                        VANCOUVER FIRE DEPARTMENT
                      CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                            MEETING MINUTES
                           February 16, 1994
   ATTENDANCE

   Chris Smith    -  Chair of Cedar Cottage Neighbourhood house
                  -  Vice-chair Assoc. Neighbourhood houses
                  -  Extensive knowledge of heavy equipment
                  -  Involved with gulf island volunteer F.D.

   Tom Ward       -  V/P Medicine & Programs (St. Pauls)
                  -  Long range strategic planning for St. Pauls
                  -  Pres. B.C. Health Care Risk Mgmt. (liability
                     insurer for province hospitals)
                  -  Sits on advisory committee for Council of
                     University teaching hospitals
                  -  Chair - regional health services planning(BC) 
   Ed MacKinnon   -  Architect (firm specializes in consulting for
                     Fire Protection, Bldg. codes)
                  -  B.C. Building codes appeals board
                  -  A consultant who works with V.F.D. on systems
                     design

   Wayne Moser    -  Paraplegic Association of B.C. (rehab.)
                  -  Works as a computer programmer for W.C.B.
                  -  Sat on section 3.7 review panel for B.C.
                     Building Code (disabled issues)

   Dan Fisk       -  Marathon Reality (Manager of Life Safety &
                     Security)
                  -  Nominated by B.O.M.A.
                  -  Member of N.F.P.A. (sits on a number of
                     N.F.P.A. committees)

   Warren Gill    -  Executive Director of S.F.U. Harbour Centre
                  -  Family involved with fire department

   Marilyn Mura   -  Pres. Van. Native Housing
                  -  Pres. Natives Police Liaison
                  -  Sec. Native Education centre

   Tony Lau       -  Centennial Toast Master Club (communication &
                     leadership advocates)
                  -  Owns insurance company
                  -  70% asian client base

   Bill Buchanan  -  Canadian Liquid Air (responsible for safety,
                     training, quality & emerg. response)
                  -  Father was a firefighter

   Glen Maddess   -  Fire Chief
   John Perrie    -  Assistant Chief Staff              Appendix B.1
                                                         Page 2 of 5


   NOT IN ATTENDANCE

   Doug Kellam    -  Downtown Eastside Residents Assoc. (D.E.R.A.)




   -  Opening comments by the Fire Chief.  Committee members and
      senior staff were introduced.

   -  Brief background by A/C Perrie on Fire Department Strategic
      Planning process and detail given by the Fire Chief on Council
      concerns.

          Is Fire Department addressing the needs of community?
          Is Fire Department responsive to Council?


   Council direction to Fire Chief:

        *  Equitable recruitment (representative of community);
        *  Ensure that services are delivered to contemporary
           standards;
        *  Systems for staff development and succession planning.


   -  Discussion around the strategic plan and how it was used to
      begin to address Council's direction as well as the current
   mandate City has for the V.F.D.


   Questions:

   Why no Council involvement on committee?
      Very interested but time a factor.  N. Chiavario will be
      Council contact.

   What significant changes from the past are taking place?
      Disaster Prep. a big issue for the City and the V.F.D.
      Dept. to play greater role in the community. 

   What is the department doing at this point in time?  Process and
   union involvement?
      Process has involved management and staff from all ranks
      including the union.  Some discussion around the perceptions
      of the Advisory Committee. Process designed to be inclusive.

      Resource group to better serve the citizens of Vancouver.


   -  Some discussion around the problems that Union and Management
      have had in the past.
                                                        Appendix B.1
                                                         Page 3 of 5


   -  Discussion around involvement of all emergency services in
      disaster prep. and the scope of Neighbourhood Emergency
      Response Training (NERT).  What levels of training involve.

      Issue of changing department focus due to sprinkler by-laws

      and upgrade programs was discussed.  95% of all new
      construction is sprinklered.  Over 5000 buildings in the City
      now sprinklered.  More buildings monitored for fire &
      sprinklers.  Greater number of false alarms.  Greater dept.
      focus on fire prevention, life safety & rescue and community
      education.


   -  Reduced response to alarms (e.g. Hospitals, schools etc.) was
      discussed.  Issues around better utilization of resources on
      some calls and need for regionalization and/or emergency
      service amalgamation.  Chief discussed old and new response
      rationale.  It was noted that many false alarm problems could
      be alleviated through education.  Many false alarms due to
      ignorance.

   -  Possible need for more technical staff to inspect all life
      safety systems.  More comprehensive inspection programs. 
      Better staff training.

   -  Regionalization issues discussed.  Better utilization of
      taxpayer dollars.  L.A. experience..... 3500 firefighters to
      be trained to Paramedic levels.  Allows for longer ambulance
      response times.  Maximize resource allocation.  Taxpayer
      looking for value for dollar.

   -  Discussion of centralized E911 for all agencies.  Centralized
      model for agencies, computer systems etc.  All agencies are
      different political entities.  Likely not to happen in next 5
      years.  City may be challenged to do this sooner.  Department
      trying to be more effective.  Economic collapse could pose
      another disaster threat.

   -  W. Gill noted that V.F.D. is only true neighbourhood resource
      and that it should be utilized more effectively.  Neighbour-
      hood meeting place concept.  City counts on fire department as
      it is community based.  Department is in good position to
      provide more services.  What does the community want and
      expect?

   -  Committee discussed issues around the V.F.D. shifting from a
      reactive to a pro-active resource.  Firefighters are generally
      trained to be reactive.  Transition to pro-active a difficult
      one.  Real world is distracted by disasters.  D. Fisk recently
      visited L.A. and has perspectives on what was effective and
      what was not.  Would be interesting to explore in more detail
      at future meeting.                                Appendix B.1
                                                         Page 4 of 5


   -  Discussion around NFPA 1500 (min. staff levels on apparatus).
      Threat to union.(Job security, safety issues) Unions have
      walked away/world carries on.  Pressure on all public bodies
      to down size.  Some discussion around integration of emergency
      service delivery. Department currently going through a 2.5%
      reduction in budget.

   -  Suggestion was presented to include union representation on
      Advisory Committee.  It was noted that a small group of
      individuals control the union activities and attend meetings
      on a regular basis.  Challenge will be to change perspective
      of union staff.  Will not be easy to change their reality. 
      Vancouver one of the first hubs of national unionism.  One of
      the founding IAFF locals was in Vancouver.

   -  Educational institutions will need to be involved to bring

      about change in a non-confrontational way.

   -  It was noted that there was a marked increase in medical
      service calls in 1990.

        *  change in notification policies by B.C. Ambulance
           Service.
        *  70% of calls for service medical related.
        *  roll out of apparatus keeps firefighter gainfully
           employed.  Fire calls are fairly constant however, fire
           severity is decreasing on average.  Calls to other types
           of calls are on the increase. (e.g. false alarms)  City
           growing at a rapid rate.(25,000 to 30,000 people since
           last census)


   -  Discussion around integration of safety issue delivery. 
      Historically each department planned separately.  Need for
      holistic approach.  Department attempting to move in this
      direction through "Block Watch" involvement and Safer City
      Task Force initiatives. 


   HOUSEKEEPING ISSUES

   -  Discussion of what constitutes a meeting quorum.  Not all
      members will be able to make all meetings.  Consensus was that
      a minimum of six (6) is required.

   -  Meeting schedule set to be on the second Wednesday of each
      month with no meetings scheduled in July or August.  Minutes
      will be produced and circulated for each meeting.  The
      department will provide a recorder/minute taker.

   -  Food and beverages will be provided by the V.F.D. for each
      meeting.                                          Appendix B.1
                                                         Page 5 of 5





   -  A/C Perrie will be the Department committee contact.  Will
      produce a meeting schedule to be forwarded with the minutes of
      the first meeting.

   -  Chair will be elected at a future meeting.  Agenda items not
      covered will be included in next meeting.  Tour of V.F.D.
      facilities will be conducted at some future date.



               NEXT MEETING - MARCH 9, 1994 @ 1730 HOURS
                        #1 FIREHALL (BOARDROOM)
                    MEETING ADJOURNED AT 1935 HOURS.



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                                                         Page 1 of 6


                       VANCOUVER FIRE DEPARTMENT
                      CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                            MEETING MINUTES
                             MARCH 10, 1994


   IN ATTENDANCE:

   Warren Gill, S.F.U.                  Maureen Mura, Van. Native
   Tony Lau, Insurance Co.              Housing
   Doug Kellam, D.E.R.A.                Tom Ward, St. Pauls Hospital
   Chris Smith, Cedar Cottage           Dan Fisk, Marathon Realty
   Ed MacKinnon, Consulting, Architect  John Perrie, V.F.D.
   Nancy Chiavario, Counsellor          G. Maddess, Fire Chief
   R. Babcock, Deputy Fire Chief


   ABSENT:

   Bill Buchanan, Canadian Liquid Air   Wayne Moser, Paraplegic 
                                        Assoc. of B.C.

   Recorder:  D. Wootton


   Meeting convened at 5:45 p.m. and Chief Maddess introduced Deputy
   Chief Babcock to members of the Advisory Board.


   John Perrie reviewed minutes of February 16, 1994 meeting.


   MOTION:    Chris Booth 
   SECONDED:  Tony Lau

   To adopt minutes as written with the following amendments:
   Page 4 Paragraph 1.

   The feeling of the group was that this paragraph was an incorrect
   interpretation.  Issue of Union representation was discussed and
   that at a future meeting will be discussed and decided upon. 
   There was a suggestion re above, i.e. that first the committee
   should ascertain what the agenda is and then include union if
   applicable.

   Nancy Chiavario was introduced and brought up the subject of
   Council participation.  If there was to be a Citizens' Advisory
   Committee a politician was not required.  As a new council they
   are in a learning mode.  The committee should bring back to the
   organization (F.D.) what the Citizens need and how we might
   perform in Public Relations. 

                                                        Appendix B.2
                                                         Page 2 of 6



   One of the aims is to make the fire department more reflective of
   the community. 

   G. Maddess responded that Equal Employment Opportunities are the
   aim of the Fire Department.  If we have a Citizens Advisory
   Committee we can get public feedback from the community and then
   we can appropriately respond.

   John Perrie - stated that he wanted to bring this committee up to
   date on the Budget program and the implications for the Fire
   Department and distributed a fire department directive and
   introduced Glen Maddess.

   G. Maddess - All Vancouver City Departments have been instructed

   to obtain a 5% reduction, with the exception of the Fire
   Department and Police who require 2 1/2%.  $1,388M is the impact
   on the Fire Department.  Senior staff discussed many possible
   ways that savings could be made and came up with the best and
   identified the reduction program.  These suggestions were
   presented the Deputy City Manager and Finance.  The aim is to
   reduce impact on service delivery and yet identify 2 1/2%
   savings.

   A Fire Department Directive was distributed and reviewed, i.e.
   gratuity cuts, A/C evening shifts.

   Warren Gill questioned "Who is considered management in the Fire
   Department?"

   G. Maddess responded that contrary to the way the city carries
   out things, senior A/Cs are managers but are also shift workers. 
   We wanted to put the emphasis on the senior staff aspect and
   therefore require them to work a 5 day week in a more managerial
   capacity.

   Dispatch scheduled breaks - because of manning changes,
   dispatchers will take entitled breaks and the Fire Department
   will save 3% premium.  Extra duty was explained, Battalion Chief
   drivers create a pool from which we can draw for manning. 
   Firefighters are entitled to 28 days in a row, when F.D. is short
   staffed for Service Leave, Vacation, Sickness etc. this pool is
   used.   Safety issues can be compensated a B/C driver is a
   requirement.

   Training, City will provide training on an employee's own time.
   Onus on member to obtain training for advancement.

   Apparatus specifications - change to a Quint which can operate as
   a pumper with hose or a ladder truck.  Once it is committed as
   either a ladder or pumper it remains in that mode.  It doesn't
   have the versatility of a pump and ladder.
                                                        Appendix B.2
                                                         Page 3 of 6



   Elimination of one captain and 2 fire prevention inspectors on
   the Task Force.  Task Force time frame can be expanded.  Impact
   is a concern of the Fire Chief for future fire safety.

   G. Maddess - We are within our budget now and will put this
   information on a chief's chat so the staff knows what is going
   on.

   Marilyn Mura - What if you told City hall that you cannot cut
   back 2 1/2%?

   G. Maddess - We would rather not cut, but the reality is that
   council makes a decision to do something on behalf of the
   citizens, then we are charged with the responsibility to do it
   with the least impact.

   Benchmarking is a tool that is being used.  Using the time when
   the Fire department is not on a run for training etc.

   Council report on Fire Department Reorganization is going before
   council Tuesday March 15, standing committee March 17.         

   Strategic Plan was distributed to all.

   Tom Ward - Staffing levels 9 cut is not much compared to private
   sector cuts.

   Sudden increase in workload was discussed, i.e. first responder
   attending MVAs.  Fire Department, Ambulance and Police all
   arriving to the same scene was discussed.

   G. Maddess - There are increasing challenges for the Fire
   Department to be more effective.

   Tom Ward - If firefighters are going to be in the firehalls, then
   their time should be better used i.e. Public Safety, EHS, Psych
   services, use firehalls as sanctuaries etc.

   Ed MacKinnon - Looking at 2 1/2% reduction, it is low based on
   the global picture.  We should face that at a future date there
   could be a duplication of services.  Visibility of firefighters
   i.e. at Safeway, playing volleyball, etc. citizens must have
   questions.

   Public Education was brought up re: false alarms to buildings on
   alarm systems. i.e. providing additional services i.e. recharging
   fire extinguishers, a large percentage of the companies that do
   inspections don't do the job right.  Fire Department should be in
   the business of fire prevention.

   G. Maddess - Fire Department is taking this issue before council
   to maybe have fire department certify these companies.
                                                        Appendix B.2
                                                         Page 4 of 6



   C. Smith - due to shift work, Firefighters can take on an extra
   job.  This is a concern to a lot of people.

   G. Maddess - Unfortunately, members do have the time and we have
   no control.  In our Rules and Regulations they are not allowed to
   have another job.  Legal reality is that you cannot mandate what
   a person does on their time off.  We do not and cannot enforce
   this, unless we feel there is a conflict with their Fire
   Department job. 

   One recruitment criteria is to have experience in related trades.

   Chris Smith - Coming from the outside I find it hard to accept
   the fact that someone with a good paying job should have a second
   job.

   Tony Lau - How thoroughly does the department check the type of
   work firefighters do?  My staff are all licensed under the
   insurance act.  They have to fill out all jobs they do. 
   Shouldn't the Fire department have some sort of method to ensure
   that firefighters keep the job as their main focus.

   G. Maddess - As Fire Chief, If I ask each member to report all
   their jobs the union and all members would not respond.  

   G. Maddess answered question of firefighter salaries.  There was
   a 2% increase agreed to beginning January 1, 1994.  Long Term
   Disability is a growing trend.

   Nancy Chiaviaro - Budget will have a negative impact on personnel
   as can a second job.  What can result is a loss of efficiency. 
   Perhaps over the current year the service records could be looked
   into and what might the cost be.  Whether or not there is a

   negative impact to their performance on the job.  Perhaps look at
   the signed Rules and Regulations form.  Perhaps scheduling can be
   looked at more creatively.

   Warren Gill - We are looking for people who are motivated.  After
   a % is reached for training at the University the amounts have to
   be reviewed.  

   Re-deployment of staff is to be commended.

   Task Force - Is it necessary to have this special task force?  We
   are looking for training and education are we losing this?

   G. Maddess - The number of buildings have increased with no
   increase in inspection staff.  Fire safety devices are better
   now.  Inspection intervals have grown to the point that we are
   re-deploying manpower.     

                                                        Appendix B.2
                                                         Page 5 of 6



   Doug Kellam - Not clear where the staff is coming from.  A loss
   of inspectors is a concern to DERA.  If they are cut now they
   would probably have to be brought back in a few years.  The old
   buildings and tenants pose a risk to themselves and others.

   G. Maddess - There is no one in this service that wants to re-
   live the old days.  This report is in order of priority and Fire
   Prevention is a top priority for the Fire Department.

   Maybe a change from 3 storey to 4 storey buildings for fire
   companies inspections may cut requirements for inspectors in Fire
   Prevention.

   Now with the Computer Aided Dispatch (CAD) system fire crews are
   doing some enforcement downtown, i.e. change exit doors.

   Dan Fisk - Personnel may or may not be used properly.  Fire
   Department is being viewed as freelancing a lot by others.  Would
   concur that the firefighter should have an opportunity to get
   into the community and educate.  It would be difficult to find
   someone in the Fire Department who would meet the qualifications
   of fire inspection engineer.  Trying to adapt manpower to the job
   is a huge task.

   G. Maddess - Would have great concern if this was to take place
   now, the expertise is not here yet.

   Part of the package to council is, instead of A/C drivers and 2
   lieutenants in fire prevention we require an engineer.

   Doug Kellam - What is the implication of this?  When are next
   contract negotiations?

   G. Maddess - End of the year.  Probably no settlement till April
   or May/95.  

   Nancy Chiaviaro - Would suggest that the Citizens Advisory Board
   should make strong recommendation to April 14 standing committee
   stressing the importance of fire prevention.

   Tom Ward - We were created as a committee and are here primarily
   in an advisory capacity for a short time.  We should be talking
   about terms of reference.  Has concerns about re-engineering

   within the department, public education and public issues. 

   John Perrie -  Terms of Reference was on the agenda for this
   meeting and we are not going to be able to get to this today.  We
   have to review terms of reference to establish a mandate for the
   committee.

                                                        Appendix B.2
                                                         Page 6 of 6



   Two issues from last meeting:

   1.   "After the Fire" brochure - some copies were distributed for
        Advisory Committee to look at.

   2.   Customer Comment Cards - There are some issues we would like
        to discuss, i.e. should they go to different body, i.e. City
        Clerk or Fire Department. - no feed back.


   "After the Fire" brochures will be published in Cantonese and
   Punjabi as well.

   G. Maddess - The City has embarked upon a method to assess what
   departments do and decided a comment card would best fill this
   need.  This seemed like the best way for the Fire Department to
   get feedback from citizens.



   Meeting adjourned at 7:30 p.m.



                      NEXT MEETING April 13, 1994



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   meetings\citadvis



                                                                     APPENDIX B.3
                                                         Page 1 of 7

                      CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                                   TO
                     THE VANCOUVER FIRE DEPARTMENT
                            MEETING MINUTES
                             APRIL 13, 1994

   IN ATTENDANCE:

   Wayne Moser                       Warren Gill
   Doug Kellam                       Tom Ward
   Dan Fisk                          Tony Lau
   Ed McKinnon                       Bill Buchanan
   Glen Maddess                      Bob Babcock
   John Perrie

   ABSENT:

   Chris Smith                       Maureen Mura

   Recorder:  Darlene Wootton


   Meeting called to order by J. Perrie.

   Nancy Chiavario and Jenny Kwan cannot make this meeting but will
   endeavour to make subsequent meetings.

   John Perrie reviewed minutes of March 10, 1994 meeting and with
   the exception of changing name from Chris Booth to Chris Smith in
   the first motion: the minutes were adopted as written.

   MOVED:     Wayne Moser
   SECONDED:  Ed MacKinnon


   Current Issues

   John Perrie reported the Alarm Monitoring/Renovations will be
   finalized in the next week but will not be occupied until end of
   May.

   Console delivery was delayed was tendered and awarded and will be
   finalized within six weeks.

   Houle Electric was successful bidder for Central Alarm Monitoring
   Station.  Current Gamewell users, VSB, VGH, Justice Inst. etc.
   will be on the new system.


   After the Fire
   Brochure was handed out last meeting and has been forwarded to
   City Communications Advisor, Scott McRae who has modifications in
   wording etc.  Document is under revision now and you will get a
   final copy when final draft is ready.
                                                        Appendix B.3
                                                         Page 2 of 7



   G. Maddess asked for any input from the Citizens Advisory
   Committee and there was none.

   John Perrie - Comment Card has been modified.  Recommendation
   that we drop Philosophy Statement and make Mission Statement
   larger.

   Warren Gill - Received excellent service from the Fire Department
   re major fire last night.  Heard 515 W. Hastings on the phone and
   address was really 518.  Got good service from F.D. employee.  

   G. Maddess - There is a continuing problem with "squatters". 
   Have found that they will light fires for warmth and consequently
   cause severe fires.

   If a building is posing a life/safety hazard, there is the power
   of the Fire Bylaw to order demolition.  On Station Street there
   was two 2 warehouses, Burlington (heritage) buildings. 
   Cooperative owner tried to secure building but unfortunately, 3
   or 4 greater alarms occurred and subsequently the bylaw was used
   to demolish the buildings.


   New Items

   V.F.D. -Vancouver Board of Trade CITYPLAN submissions

   Submission from Cityplan tool kit and table that was put together
   by Board of Trade-Jaycees was distributed.

   Glen Maddess - Jaycees looked at a number of issues and decided
   that they would bring forward to CITYPLAN comments on how to
   provide better service at less cost.

   Cooperation among Fire Services, regionalization of fire services
   ambulance and fire service emergency was discussed but requires
   all outlying departments to participate.

   General discussion i.e. boundaries, proximity of firehalls.

   Glen Maddess - Willingdon Fire station can service Hastings and 
   Cassiar better and faster than we can. There has been preliminary
   discussions.  My perspective is that if suggestion comes from VFD
   that VFD has a hidden agenda.

   Contract Dispatching

   A number of proposals have been made to surrounding
   municipalities to try and resolve Contract Dispatch issue.  VFD
   is involved in a study to assure facts are correct.

                                                        Appendix B.3
                                                         Page 3 of 7



   Tom Ward - If there are savings it would be acceptable. 
   Centralized dispatch system once you know where resources are
   cross-boundary services would provide better service.

   VFD does not care which department does the dispatching but feels
   cost would be less costly if a centralized system is used.  May
   be done with 1/2 the number that is currently being used.

   Dan Fisk - Is this being looked at by G.V.R.D.?

   G. Maddess - GVRD is made up of politicians not directly affected
   who have various interests and responsibilities i.e. water. 
   Doesn't have any direct responsibility for dispatching.  GVRD has
   asked GVRD Fire Chiefs to report back.  Completed questionnaires,
   11 out 15 would support going to their councils to look into
   this.

   Perhaps getting someone like Darlene Marzari involved.  Potential
   roles for this committee could be to look into regionalization. 
   Perhaps to meet with GVRD Fire Chiefs. 

   Q -If 11 out 15 were supportive, who wasn't?  

   A - Basically the larger departments were in agreement.  This has
   gone to Regional Administrators Advisory Committee of each
   municipality and they will review the report and 1. act on it or
   2. each department would seek funding on a proportional basis to
   their city managers.  Emergency preparedness is an issue, mutual
   aid.

   Dan Fisk - There has to be a lot of discussion in the lower main-
   land re regionalization.  Is there an entity that is thinking
   about regionalization?

   Glen Maddess - GVRD sends out monthly newsletter.  Several U.S.

   concepts have been included i.e. news clippings, it cannot be
   taken as a initiative by themselves.

   Dan Fisk Why does this document state: "Jaycees cost savings 
   There is no question that savings can be made i.e. clothing
   issue.

   John Perrie summarized, GVRD is looking at regionalization and it
   is only a matter of time before it includes essential services.

   Ed MacKinnon brought up UBC Fire Department amalgamation.

   G. Maddess - City of Vancouver was asked to provide a quotation
   which has been submitted to provide fire service for University
   Endowment lands.  We feel we will be able to provide a higher
   level of service to University, Point Grey etc.  The Provincial
   Court will now make the final decision.
                                                        Appendix B.3
                                                         Page 4 of 7



   Discussion re terms of reference, need to design the citizens
   advisory committee goals and terms of reference.

   The Terms of Reference for the Citizens Advisory Committee were
   drawn up by the VFD and we feel that we are accountable to
   citizens of Vancouver and we need a framework and need to
   understand what the citizens needs are.


   1994-96 Capital Plan

   This is to get Vancouver council's approval for itemized funding
   for 4 identified Fire capital projects.

   In 1993 fire protection was a separate ballot item and won great
   support from the citizens.

   G. Maddess - explained process to get something put on the agenda
   for City Council.

   This is the first time VFD has been able to put separate items
   for citizen approval on the funding process.  As a separate voter
   item, we had the highest voter approval.

   On any capital asset that is voted on by taxpayer each department
   sends capital items to the Finance Committee.  The Director of
   Finance, City Manager and two other debarment heads within the
   city review the proposal.

   It is prioritized by them and then the report goes to council and
   report to citizens.

   At that point the department has a chance to appeal.

   #18 Firehall is too small and cannot accommodate larger
   apparatus.  The hose froze on the apparatus.  It is a classic
   Heritage building

   Seismic safety - Trying to follow California model to ensure that
   firehall survive earthquake to get apparatus out.

   Radio - We have one tactical channel and one operating channel
   for 30 thousand incidents.  Seattle has had people killed because
   of poor radio channels.  Hackensack's problems were directly

   attributable to radio channels.  We have 145 mHz and 25 W.

   We are going to council Tuesday April 19 to look at 800 mHz
   capability radios.

   The schedule in Cityplan Workbook is flexible.

                                                        Appendix B.3
                                                         Page 5 of 7



   New training facilities - Tower and other equipment training
   facility is another story.  We have not had a training facility
   for four years.  

   Does Burnaby have a facility that Vancouver could use?

   G. Maddess - Yes, it is at Sperling and Canada Way, some distance
   from Vancouver, also Richmond.

   We have received funding for the South Foot of Main Street. 
   Unfortunately it was paved with low risk contaminant from Expo
   site which is now covered.  We may end up with 5 acres at
   Burlington.

   Dan Fisk - Why are there no training facilities available to be
   used by all GVRD.  A regionalized training facility?  Emergency
   Preparedness - we are not ready for it.

   G. Maddess - Emergency Preparedness  Our Dispatch, Police and
   Ambulance probably cannot carry on in a large emergency
   situation.  We have emergency planning committee consisting of
   the Fire Chief, Police Chief, City Manger, City Engineer,
   Emergency planner.  

   We are looking at VGH for training purposes, also under 17,000
   square foot property next to 312 Main Street building as a
   dispatch center for everyone.  

   Gill - re training facility, there is probably scope for more
   than one training center within the GVRD. 

   Dan Fisk - Doesn't matter how sophisticated the 911 System is, it
   will be overloaded.  This budget item is just for training not
   for anything else.  Heavy Urban Rescue - building collapse,
   shoring, cribbing, dog search, confined spaces etc.

   We have identified that our communications center will not
   survive neither will police's.  There is only one phone line
   between here and police.

   We are trying to identify this in this plan to "harden" the
   system.

   General discussion, re heavy urban rescue teams of 52 people can
   stand on their own for 72 hours, fully self-sufficient and can be
   for the full week and can carry on night and day rescue.  If you
   are a Rescue standby you have to be ready to fly anywhere in the
   world.

   We are approaching the Provincial Government for funding on a
   regional or provincial basis.  In excess of $175/200 thousand.

   The city feels that there should be provincial participation.
                                                        Appendix B.3
                                                         Page 6 of 7

   Armed services are not trained for this.

   Ed MacKinnon - There seems to be a lot of discussion going on but
   no long term goals.  Time lines.

   G. Maddess - The advisory committee has demonstrated surprise at
   the lack of emergency preparedness in place in Vancouver.

   G. Maddess - to appease your concern a little, we have gone to
   council with our reorg, we have a position that will be charged
   with the responsibility of disaster preparedness, identifying
   emergency preparedness within Department.  Also, citizen
   involvement.

   We are in the business of prioritizing.  The Vancouver Fire
   Department paid expenses for Fire Chief of Oakland which had
   earthquakes and fire disasters to give a presentation here, also 
   Director of Emergency Services, Strathcona County a tornado
   workshop.

   There is a new awareness, the City Manager is now taking an
   active role.    

   Emergency response, heavy urban rescue, are in the plans for next
   year.  We are making progress.  Firehall upgrading has to be
   prioritized for the for the city's average population framework.

   Relay pumping, salt water pumping station going in next council
   report.  End of this year it will be in use, two years ago we
   laid a mile of hose and proved we can supply water to the
   downtown corridor.  Future plan is it will be hooked up to
   saltwater pumping system.

   Emergency Management Report will be provided to Citizens Advisory
   Committee.

   There is the realization that we are not prepared, EOC operation
   Thunderbird, CANUTEC these are all programs to help us to
   prepare.

   Tony Lau - Has objective date been set?

   J. Perrie - No I don't believe that any city can ever be fully
   prepared.

   Tony Lau - At least we should have firehalls that won't collapse,
   some reasonable form of communication, water etc.  A lot of
   people do not understand VFD non-preparedness.

   T. Ward
   Back to regionalization - There is a saving.  At a gain of 7-15%
   there will be more pressure from public for regionalization.

   Fisk - It is time response and training abilities are improved.
                                                        Appendix B.3
                                                         Page 7 of 7

   Tom Ward
   The role of the Advisory Committee in part is to ensure public
   safety if we raise the issue on some broad basis to a forum i.e.
   GVRD regionalization.

   Provide advice on roles, ask questions ie. what is the point of
   building training facilities if all the firehalls are going to
   fall down and there will be no communications etc.

   Suggestion:  We should appoint a task force group to clarify
   terms of reference for this committee.  What our mandate should
   be.

   Bill Buchanan offered a good suggestion from a course he had
   attended.

        1. forming
        2. brainstorming
        3. norm/benchmark
        4. perform

   Tom Ward will draft suggested terms of reference and FAX to all
   Committee members and will bring to May meeting.


   Housekeeping

   Warren Gill
   Reported there is access to rooms at Harbour Centre training
   facility for future meetings if necessary.

   Received letter from Firefighters' Union April 13. Is there a
   response required to the Firefighters Union?

   The Committee asked the Fire Chief on behalf of the Citizens
   Advisory Committee to send a letter to the Firefighters Union
   saying that the letter was received April 13 by most VFD Citizens
   Advisory Committee members and as there was no time to discuss
   will report back to May meeting.

   Should we send copies of minutes to Firefighters Union?  Once we
   are more focussed.

   Glen Maddess referred to Benchmark handout - for background
   information.


   Meeting adjourned at 7:42 p.m.


                 NEXT MEETING MAY 11, 1994 - 5:30 p.m.


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   meetings\advapr                                      APPENDIX B.4
                                                         Page 1 of 6

                      CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                                   TO
                     THE VANCOUVER FIRE DEPARTMENT
                            MEETING MINUTES
                              MAY 11, 1994

   IN ATTENDANCE:

        TOM WARD                     MAUREEN MURA
        ED MCKINNON                  CHRIS SMITH
        BILL BUCHANAN                TONY LAU
        WARREN GILL                  BOB BABCOCK
        DOUG KELLAM                  GLEN MADDESS


   ABSENT:

        DAN FISK                     WAYNE MOSER
        JOHN PERRIE

   DISTRIBUTE TO:
        MAYOR                        CITY COUNCILLORS
        DEPUTY CITY MANAGER          VFD EXECUTIVE BOARD


   Chief Babcock called the meeting to order in John Perrie's
   absence.

   Corrections (housekeeping) to April 13, 1994 minutes were
   attached to Agenda.

   1.  Minutes from April 13, 1994 meeting were adopted as
       corrected.

   MOTION:   Warren Gill
   SECONDED: Tony Lau

   2.  CURRENT ISSUES

       a)  Update on Budget reduction program 

       Budget reduction was adopted by C.O.V. - Fire Department
       requirement was lowered to 2 1/2%. The Department showed
       $236,000 savings for gratuity days and administration of
       that benefit.  Unfortunately these aren't immediate cash
       savings as compared to a savings which is put in the bank.
       Gratuity days are banked and usually not cashed in until
       retirement. We are trying to get a acceptable clarification
       of this. 

       #21 - from Engine and ladder to Quint and dropping an
       officer position $400,000 Agreed to wait one year at City 
       Manager's recommendation for study to see what would be
       involved to achieve that kind of saving.
                                                        Appendix B.4
                                                         Page 2 of 6


       General discussion i.e. the agenda of City Manager to
       achieve further cuts?

       Fire Chief not comfortable with #21 cuts.  It is largest
       area, smallest call volume.  But is this the best way of
       allotting this reserve?

       A complicated issue, more detailed analysis is required. 
       Impact on other areas need a more in-depth study.

       Class 1 rating was discussed and its appropriateness now? 
       Until it has been analyzed again we won't know.  Class I
       rating does not affect the average taxpayer but usually does
       affect the large corporate user.

       Is there a hiring freeze?  Downsizing - we do not have the
       luxury of having part time supplementary type staff.  We
       could have a pool of trained people to hire when there are
       openings, but under current collective agreement, we cannot
       do this.  If we cannot replace, we must hire extra duty.  We
       attempt to balance the hiring of permanent staff before
       extra duty costs more.

       Another meeting was held, City Manager, Police and Fire
       Department re common dispatch centre and trying to identify

       funding.  Seems to be some reluctance from B.C. Ambulance to
       join this.

       RAC have not gotten back to Fire Chief with any of their
       thoughts.

       P. Coquitlam, Sunshine Coast, Port Moody are exploring some
       sort of linkage through Vancouver.

       There is a lot of major development going on.
       Yaletown, Coal Harbour, Kingsway Corridor, Canada Pavilion -
       because of new construction and sprinklering legislation
       does this create an offset?

       The last census shows us that we have 60 thousand more
       people who have moved into the city into mostly sprinkler
       buildings. 

       The number of actual fires is maintaining but severity is
       decreasing.

       Sprinklers are not the only factor.  The number of responses
       is going up but a lot are not fires.

       Complicated buildings require more time to get to fire i.e.
       high fires, traffic.

                                                        Appendix B.4
                                                         Page 3 of 6


       Doug Kellam raised a question re inspections
       He has heard that while inspections are ongoing, enforcement
       is not being carried out because manpower is not there.

       We put forward that fire prevention was the last option to
       cut from.

       We cannot maintain our old inspection intervals and at the
       same time satisfy complaints, inspections, orders to be
       issued.  If a prosecution is involved they must be involved
       for at least two days.

       Request for a sample overview of this by Doug Kellam.
       If the rumour spreads abuses can take place.

       Question re central purchasing.

       Difficulty is if you are going to go with other
       municipalities you must have same requirements.  In the city
       we have some unique clauses i.e. no purchasing from South
       Africa etc. We have to get council to change purchasing
       agreement.  It is currently being worked on, that is a first
       step for us to talk to other municipal departments and
       asking for common specs.

       Thoughts in the city are too much centralization of
       purchasing.

       Something you need to buy i.e. paperclips centralization
       would be o.k. but specialized items i.e. firefighting foam
       should be decentralized.

   b)  After the Fire Brochure
       Asked for feedback will review for June meeting.

   c)  Customer Comment Cards
       We have been taking computer printouts and sending cards out
       for comment.  Advisory Committee requested tabulation of
       comment cards when they are returned.

       City Tenant Assistance Program - phone number will be
       forthcoming from Doug Kellam.

   d)  Update on 1994-96 Capital Project
       Report attached to agenda.  This is money approved by public
       in last referendum in November.  This allocation of funds is
       for 3 years.

       G. Maddess read from council report. New training facility. 
       there is still some question as to where it is going to be.

                                                        Appendix B.4
                                                         Page 4 of 6

       There are two types of Capital Fund

       1.  Voted on 3 years each department tries to get items on
       plebescite and 

       2.  Sub Capital fund a revolving account allocated by
       special council initiative i.e. replacement of SCBAs  We
       have non-compliance with WCB for spending too much time on 
       mask repairs.  Most important is the new mask will be
       lighter weight, allowing better use and savings in Operating
       expenses. 

       Practice of borrowing is not uncommon.  With a mandate to ?
       if money is recouped by savings, you can convert operating
       into capital but not the other way around.

   General discussion

   e)  VFD Newsletter
       Was distributed last meeting and general impression was that
       it was a very good first time effort.


   3.  NEW ITEMS

       a) Terms of Reference (draft)

       Tom Ward had distributed "Terms of Reference draft" to all
       prior to the meeting and asked for input.  Received a number
       of comments back.  Discussion re changing Chairman to Chair
       will call it the chair.  Whether or not committee thought it
       would take over and govern by itself.

       As representatives of the community at large are we
       comfortable with Strategic Plan?

       There is parallel growth of pluralism?? do not necessarily
       want to do it but want to be heard.

       The mandate of this committee is not to manage fire
       department but be a forum for debate from community.  We
       could be a power forum, the Fire Chief can go to council
       with the Chair and the committee and council should take
       action.

       Vancouver Council has now become more used to advisory
       committees.

   Questions:

       Chair cannot have comment?
       Q  What is the VFD relationship with other Fire Departments
       i.e. Richmond responding to Vancouver fires?  

       A  There is a sense of proprietorship between municipalities
       that is possibly inappropriate.                  Appendix B.4
                                                         Page 5 of 6


       The VFD Citizens Advisory Committee is an ear not a voice
       for the Fire Department.

       Confidence of the committee is going to depend on the
       ability of the committee to be effective.

       Asked for comments from all.

       Q  Will this committee help the Fire Department?

       A  It might be a benefit to the Fire Department if we could
       be a support to Fire Department as representatives of the
       community.

       Keep terms of Reference general rather than too specific.

       Suggestion that agenda be circulated prior to meetings.

       Will Roberts Rules be followed strictly?  It was decided
       that a modified Roberts Rules should be used.

       We will reach some type of consensus on everything.

       Committee can make motions and take votes if it wants to.

       Fire Department perspective - it seems to us that in order
       to serve the public we need to know what is important to the
       public and we see us gaining that knowledge through the
       committee.

       Strategic Plan was done in house and is really no vehicle to
       indicate what citizens want.

       Give advice to Department and have problems brought to us, 

       One drawback is resting on your laurels.

       Discussion re Terms of Reference draft.  Suggestions for
       change were made 

   1.  a)  Chair - change for a two year period
                   to annually

       c)  remove pre- from pre-circulated to all committee...

   2.  a)  Vice - change for a two year period 
                   to annually from and by

       d)  Find out where minutes should be sent, who should keep
       them for reference by council, standard procedures for
       minutes?  Should a brief annual report be sent to council? 
       Fire Chief will report back to June meeting.

                                                        Appendix B.4
                                                         Page 6 of 6


   ACTIONS:  

       d)  change and/or the Fire Chief
                to the Fire Chief, and/or the community.


   MOTION:  We will accept Terms of Reference as amended made by
   Warren Gill.

   SECONDED:  Doug Kellam

   Vote - unanimous


   3.  b)  Election of Chair

       The Chair in conjunction with the Fire Chief will form the
       agenda for the next meeting.

   Nominations from the floor were asked for.

       There was one nomination of Tom Ward by Ed McKinnon,
       seconded by Tony Lau.  

       Tom Ward was unanimously selected to be Chair of the
       Citizens Advisory Committee to the Vancouver Fire
       Department.

       Vice Chair will be deferred to June meeting.

       c) Benchmarking will be deferred to June meeting.

       Request for evaluation from Fire Department from document on
       benchmarking.


   MOTION:    To adjourn meeting - Warren Gill
   SECONDED:  Bill Buchanan


   Meeting adjourned at 7:45 p.m.



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   cadmay
                                                                     APPENDIX B.5
                                                         Page 1 of 9

                      CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                                   TO
                     THE VANCOUVER FIRE DEPARTMENT
                            MEETING MINUTES
                              JUNE 8, 1994

   IN ATTENDANCE:

       Tom Ward, Chair              Bill Moser
       Bill Buchanan                Warren Gill
       Ed McKinnon                  Tony Lau
       Chris Smith                  Glen Maddess
       John Perrie                  Alex Benekritis

   ABSENT:

       Doug Kellam                  Maureen Mura
       Robert Babcock               Dan Fisk


   Tom Ward, opened the meeting and announced:

   If anyone has more agenda items we will add them now.

   We will not meet during July and August.  Next meeting September
   14, 1994 - 0530 hours.

   Amendments to May meeting were distributed as attached.


   1.   FIRE CHIEF'S REPORT - Glen Maddess 

   It has been an interesting past month within the Department.  As
   part of budget management program, Monday we implemented a new
   system without Chiefs Aides.  It will immediately save 3 extra
   duty shifts per shift.  There are some issues re the effect this
   will have on duty strength, it has gone down somewhat.  Our
   people are monitoring it.

   More fine tuning is required i.e. ensuring that at a fire we had
   extra equipment.  We traditionally had ability to send an
   Assistant Chief or Battalion Chief to wind an alarm box or answer
   false alarms.  The new system is not affecting our efficiency at
   a fire scene too much.

   Discussion:  We are trying to attain greater efficiencies through
   meeting with Stores people and C.O.V. purchasing to explore way
   of doing things cooperatively, i.e. other GVRD Fire Departments
   for uniforms, foam, etc.

   Enquired about reporting to council.  This Advisory Committee
   will provide a yearly report to council, supplied through Fire
   Chiefs Office.
                                                        Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 2 of 9


   Draft annual report took much staff time was labour intensive. 
   We have not had an annual report for a period of time and we are
   trying to simplify the report, cost savings etc. hopefully we
   will address these needs.  Going to printing shortly any
   suggestions would be appreciated.

   For information:  We have posted three ATO positions for the
   Training department and were unsuccessful.  Other alternatives
   would be to go outside or redo the position.  Union is concerned. 
   We received response from no-one who can effectively do the job.

   The City is moving towards an integrated work team.  Trying to
   change perspective of city employees, try and cooperatively
   assist citizens in their problems.

   Specifically:

       1.  We are geographically placed in Community groups for
           meeting new approach that will broaden thinking.

       2.  Inspection System - Questions was, with the budget
           management program and stretching of resources, there has
           been misunderstanding that prosecutions will not be done.

   Introduced Captain Alex Benekritis who is in charge of
   Inspections.

   There are 12 inspectors, 2 Lieutenants, 1 specialized inspections
   and 3 clerks.  Generally each branch does regular inspections on
   an interval to all businesses and respond to complaints - 1200 in
   1993.  Cooperation with Permits and Licences, occupancy
   inspections and new buildings to check out fire safety, number of
   permit type inspections and other type inspections.  Basically
   the work we do is directly related to inspections.  The cut-
   backs affect other things not directly related to inspections. 
   What will be affected are tasks required to be done in the Fire
   Prevention Division and without those people available it will
   impact on my branch as they will have to pick up the work.  There
   will be no cut backs on prosecutions.  A new Bylaw will be
   impacted.  Any problems related to prosecutions are because of
   new bylaw not anything less.  The laws have to be written so that
   the City Prosecutor feels comfortable with them.  We are
   endeavouring to provide a document that will be of use to courts
   and to ourselves.

   Q.  Doug Kellam - DERAs concern was that the gains that were
       made might be lost.

   A.  Concern is not part of inspection it is the upgrade program
       which has been carried out for last 15 years to upgrade
       various buildings.  That process has been suspended.
                                                        Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 3 of 9


   The buildings have been identified and addressed, permission has
   been given by council to upgrade.  These are highrises built
   prior to 1975.

   Everything three storeys and under and residential has been
   upgraded to 1985 Building Code standards.

   Highrise residential was going to be the next priority and after
   that commercial.  Resources required for that were very expensive
   and there were problems with enforcement.

   Council has to specifically give approval for this upgrade
   program to escalate.

   Ed McKinnon:  What is the problem?

   Alex Benekritis - Most people understand that we are asking for
   cooperation and are willing to comply.

   Ed McKinnon:  What is the percentage of non-compliance?

   A.  Small number but they are very time consuming and usually 
       we cannot get compliance.

   Q.  What is the difference with enforcement?

   A.  There has been a Fire Bylaw for Vancouver for many years. 
       We took the B.C. Fire Code and our Bylaw and combined the
       two.  In the past we would generally prosecute under an old
       bylaw which has resulted in wording problems.  City
       Prosecutor wants wording amended so there cannot be any
       questions.  Bylaw has been past prosecutor twice with no
       success.  We now have a person on it full time to make
       amendments.  Hopefully this will solve wording problems.

   Q.  Out of 1200 complaints actually how many are followed up?

   A.  Probably 1/2

   Q.  In the report covering 1989-93 inspections are going down?

   A.  Workload in Fire Prevention has changed, personnel has
       changed in the last 5 years and 5 years ago we might have
       had 250 complaints.
                   
       Regular inspections take a certain amount of time to
       complete.  Other responsibilities i.e. introduced more
       extensive permit system, final occupancy inspections,
       regular inspections, time available is declining.

       Over the last 2 years we have a new inspection system. 
       There has been a lot of time spent winning over inspectors
       to new system.
                                                        Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 4 of 9
   Q.  Is a new house inspected?

   A.  Council would like us to look at residential single family,
       but to date we have not been able to.

       Previous council report when we implemented sprinkler
       system.  All residences should have sprinklers and a system
       of inspection be done.  Perhaps fire department could handle
       property inspections.  There is an increasing workload and
       Fire Department would not have the resources. 

       Looking into self-inspection, inspection by demand,
       inspection by private companies.  

   Q.  Are there sprinkler requirements in new buildings.

   A.  Yes, 90% of building stock in Vancouver is now sprinklered.

       We are the only department that has discussed a service to a
       population base and this can be attributed to sprinklering.

   Ed McKinnon - Rather than concentrating resources on a 2 year old
   sprinklered house, concentrate on non-complying, dangerous
   situations.

   A.  We are not looking at single family dwellings.  Initially to
       ensure that sprinkler system is installed according to NFPA
       and that periodically those systems should be tested. In
       other types of residential building there are two approaches
       which might be carried out to do inspections, one a form of
       self or private company inspections and the other, fire
       department inspections.

       Anything above that is essentially an upgrade.  If it is an
       upgrade we have to be directed by council.  Up to 3 storeys
       we have upgraded.

   Q.  How about self-inspections with a "How to Manual" given at
       time of occupancy permit.      

   A.  There was a report provided to council that named that as
       one of the recommendations but after preparing the draft our
       CFPO reviewed those types of programs elsewhere and found
       that it was more expensive to run a self-inspection program
       administratively so the recommendation was dropped.  Again,
       non-compliance.  Perhaps this committee could be an advocate

       for what is reasonable.  Increase in cost of inspection and
       process of inspection is tedious.

       It is difficult to motivate Permits to cooperate.  The issue
       of sprinklers in houses came about by the number of illegal
       basement suites.
                                                        Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 5 of 9


   Tom Ward -  We would like to hear more about where fire
   prevention is going.  It is an interesting area and the committee
   would like you to come back for a long range sense of where the
   inspection division is going and how we can help to motivate non-
   compliance.

   Tom Ward - This committee has to support the Fire Department we
   will get Alex Benekritis back this fall.

   Ed McKinley left meeting at 6:30 p.m.


   2. STRATEGIC PLAN deferred till end of meeting when we will have
      a speaker, Ron Dragan.

   3. DEPARTMENTAL ORIENTATION PROCESS

   Glen Maddess extended an invitation to the Committee to
   familiarize themselves with the Vancouver Fire Department.  We
   can arrange a formal presentation, as we did for council, or have
   a more informal presentation.  Spend 1/2 a day with a member and
   get to know their specific areas.  Contact John Perrie 665 6053.

   Tom Ward - Everything seems to have varying levels of interest
   and John Perrie can make arrangements with each individual.  Tom
   Ward said that a point of interest would probably be the
   Communications Center for everyone.  This item will be placed on
   the September Agenda.  TOUR OF DISPATCH

   We will allocate 20 minutes for an education and information
   portion starting out with Dispatch.

   Glen Maddess, Tom Ward and John Perrie will produce the education
   part of it also, field tours.


   4. BENCHMARK MEASURES

      Review of interpretation from department on benchmarking.

   G. Maddess: We do not do all the measures that are in the
   benchmark study.  We asked our Planning and Research Division to
   spend 1/2 to 3/4 days on fairly easily obtained information.  

   Q. Why only American Cities?  

   A. This study was funded through International City Managers
      Association and we felt that we should use those for
      comparison performance.  

   T. Ward:  In terms of earlier discussion re cooperation etc. In
   this GVRD cooperative plan is this going to produce a GVRD
   Benchmarking Study?                                  Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 6 of 9

   G. Maddess:  Probably not as this has not been funded.  

   Q. Could everyone in the GVRD do this?   

   A. Yes, if they were interested.
      Discussion re comparing other GVRD Departments.
      There is a 500 FTE difference between Vancouver Police and
      Fire.  Keenlyside in the 60s did a comparison.  Thanks to
      Wayne Oudijn and the department for this report.  


   Warren Gill left at 6:50 p.m.


   Discussion re Benchmarking report.

   We are trying to get the person who put this together to come to
   Vancouver in the fall.  


   5. ELECTION OF VICE-CHAIR

      Dan Fisk would be interested in the Vice Chair position. 
      Will be deferred until Dan Fisk is here.

   Glen Maddess:  We had 25 visiting Koreans who were very
   interested in our Fire Department and how our codes are working. 
   Dan Fisk hosted them and it was a very well received display.


   6. ITEMS FROM THE CHAIR

   Tom Ward:  In Richmond there was a policy about not trading with
   China and was reversed by request of Chinese Community in
   Richmond.  In Vancouver there is a purchasing policy about south
   Africa and local contact.
    
   South Africa boycott has been removed.  5% preference for local
   content is still a city council policy.

   Fire Department manufacturers of apparatus rely heavily on 5%. 
   It is difficult for us to go into a regional purchasing program
   if we have different policies.  We all have to agree.  Is there
   any sense that this would be resolved?  
   I think a report is going to Council in September and will have
   ways to address the problems that are common.

      1.   Want to make things work on a cooperative basis.
      2.   COV won't have advantage that other jurisdictions would
           have.

   2. STRATEGIC PLAN PROCESS - John Perrie introduced Ron Dragan. 
      Tom Ward addressed Ron Dragan saying that the Citizens
      Advisory committee was a result of the Strategic Plan.
                                                        Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 7 of 9


   Ron Dragan reported that his company is Managerial Design Inc.,
   and they have 20 consultants and they handle Strategy Planning
   and Performance Management, Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal.

   His credentials include Vice President of a large Canadian Trust
   Company, Fire Department, Finance, Human Resources and Health. 
   Has worked with Corporate Management process.

   Described background.  In 1992 Fire Department had an A rating,
   good reputation, excellent fiscal management, good public image,

   strong camaraderie and pride.

   Negative - Para-military, centralized decision making, 
   communications were bad, little management accountability, 
   Union/management was bad, poor management structure, reputation
   for starting and not finishing, there was little respect for and
   trust in senior management.  Department selling itself well, but
   not effective in transferring this into needed budget to City
   Hall.

                    *******************************

                             Process Goals

   Vision and Direction                    More effective way of
                                           working together

                            Reallocation of
                               Resources

   New Organization                        Improved Labour-
   Structure                               Management Relations


                               Update the
                         Mission Statement with
                           Wide Participation


                            Planning Horizon

                       *************************

   People involved were Fire Chief, Deputy Chief, Senior Management
   (15) and Senior Union Officers (2)  Ten meetings 16 days. 
   Question was what is the union's role going to be in this? 
   President and Secretary/Treasurer of union became members of
   Strategic Planning Committee.

   Also, resource team of 25 people cross-section of all people in
   the Department, Field Trainers, Lieutenants, Battalion Chiefs
   including union officers.  Four meetings 5 days we wanted input
   from firefighters and officers perceptions of both groups.
                                                        Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 8 of 9


                       **************************

                     VFD STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS

                           Current Situation
                                 Review

   External Trends          Competition for         Internal
                            The VFD                 Strengths and
                                                    Weaknesses

      
          Opportunities                    Alternative
          and Threats                      Strategies


                          Strategic Direction
                                  and
                              Action Plans



                      I M P L E M E N T A T I O N

     Organization       Accounta-    Goals and          Capital
       Structure     bilities        Objectives      and Operating
                                                        Budgets


                           *****************

   Problems with training and development, internal communications
   problems. 

   The next steps are: 
   Review and Update
   Improve Internal Operations

   Last meeting was joint meeting where they developed resources on
   decisions they had made.

   Update planned for October/November and commitment it keep
   department up to date every year?

   Look forward to working with Citizens  Advisory Committee to
   implement the plan.

   Tom Ward:  The real issue from the committee was for some sense
   about our abilities to participate in the process?  How do you
   plug the customer in?

   Can you tell us about some of the plans for the fall and where
   the Advisory Committee can enter?                    Appendix B.5
                                                         Page 9 of 9




   G. Maddess - We have said that we want to validate and update the
   plan in October/November but to do that we need input on what we
   have dealt with up to date so we can get customer input when we
   go back to the Strategic Planning process.  

   I have got to have what the Advisory Committee feels should be
   happening.  From reviewing current plan and having it part of the
   yearly update.   

   This year there is a learning curve, by October/November you can
   start matching these perceptions with the citizen and get your
   input.  Ron Dragan's role was to act as a facilitator.

   Glen Maddess to ask committee members to work on it over the
   summer to review and provide assessments and understandings for
   the Strategic Plan to be reported at the September meeting.

   A letter to that effect will be provided by Tom Ward.      



   Meeting adjourned at 7:45 p.m.


   Terms of Reference will be distributed with June minutes.     

              NEXT MEETING, SEPTEMBER 14, 1994 - 5:30 p.m.



                           *   *   *   *   *            APPENDIX B.6
                                                         Page 1 of 2


                     CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE  
                  Meeting Minutes - September 14, 1994

   IN ATTENDANCE:

         TOM WARD                          ED MACKINNON
         GLEN MADDESS                      BILL BUCHANAN
         JOHN PERRIE                       CHRIS SMITH
         MARILYN MURA                      TONY LAU
         WARREN GILL                       DOUG KELLAM
         NANCY CHIAVARIO, COUNCILLOR       MARTIN ADDISON,
                                           FACILITATOR

   ABSENT:

         WAYNE MOSER                       DAN FISK


   DISTRIBUTE TO:

         MAYOR                             CITY COUNCILLORS
         DEPUTY CITY MANAGER               VFD EXECUTIVE BOARD
         UNION


   Meeting called to order at 1740 hours. Previous minutes adopted.

   1) Discussion

   Introductory comments by the Fire Chief.

   Overview of the Alberta Wheat Pool dock fire. Questions from the
   CAC concerning resource utilization, problems encountered, media
   coverage, need for Zodiacs etc. Letter received from Wheat Pool
   praising the work of the VFD has been received by the Department.

   Request going before Council for funds to hire a consultant to
   work on department study for resource allocation, apparatus
   types, hall locations etc.

   Citizens' Advisory Committee (CAC) would still like hands on
   exposure to the department. (eg. ride alongs, dispatch tour,
   fireboat orientation etc.) CAC members will contact A/C Perrie to
   coordinate with operations. No committee members have taken
   advantage of this to date.

   The department was requested to provide 30 minutes of orientation
   on specific topic areas at the start of each CAC meeting. Haz-Mat
   demonstration & presentation to be scheduled for the next
   meeting.

                                                        Appendix B.6
                                                         Page 2 of 2

   2) The Strategic Plan

   Martin Addison gave an overview of the VFD Strategic Plan pre-
   work and the material to be discussed by the committee. He also

   facilitated a discussion of the plan with the group. The
   committee provided a number of suggestions. Outputs of Martin's
   work are attached.

   Issues around regionalization of service delivery, training,
   trends in the City, future needs and direction, the changing role
   of the firefighter, opportunities to lead in certain areas (eg.
   disaster preparation etc.) and community expectations were all
   topics of discussion through the analysis of the Strategic Plan.

   Concerns were expressed concerning the union's withdrawal from
   the strategic planning process. Alternate strategies for
   continuing to communicate with and get input from all department
   staff were discussed. 


   3) Election of a Vice-chair

   Some discussion and concerns about the nomination of D. Fisk due
   to the fact that he has missed a number of meetings. There is
   currently nothing in the by-laws that requires a potential Vice-
   chair to have attended a specified number of meetings. The
   election of a Vice-chair was tabled and will be dealt with at a
   future meeting. Other nominations will be accepted in the
   meantime.

   W. Gill was nominated by E. MacKinnon. Nomination declined.


   4) New Business

   Discussion concerning the seminar "Regionalization" of services
   seminar on October 15, 1994 at Douglas College and the
   committee's interest in attending. T. Ward will investigate what
   can be done to offset or reduce the registration fees and will
   report back.

   Some discussion concerning the terms of nomination and the
   turnover of committee members. Currently five (5) of the
   committee are on 1 year terms and five (5)are on 2 year terms.

   The location of the meeting was discussed and committee members
   agreed that the current location is acceptable.


   The meeting was adjourned at 2025 hours.

               NEXT MEETING, OCTOBER 12, 1994 - 5:30 P.M.



                           *   *   *   *   *            APPENDIX B.7
                                                         Page 1 of 3


                     CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE  
                   Meeting Minutes - October 12, 1994


   IN ATTENDANCE:

       TOM WARD                            ED MACKINNON
       GLEN MADDESS                        BILL BUCHANAN
       JOHN PERRIE                         CHRIS SMITH
       MARILYN MURA                        TONY LAU
       WARREN GILL                         UNION REPS.(1740 - 1815)

       BOB BABCOCK                         DAVE MITCHELL
       DAN FISK                            JEFF DIGHTON
       DOUG KELLUM                         ROD MACDONALD


   ABSENT:

       WAYNE MOSER


   DISTRIBUTE TO:

       MAYOR                               CITY COUNCILLORS
       DEPUTY CITY MANAGER                 VFD EXECUTIVE BOARD
       UNION


   Meeting called to order at 1740 hours. Previous minutes adopted.
   The Fire Chief introduced members of Local #18 to committee.
   Chair introduced the Citizen Advisory Committee (CAC) to the
   union representatives.


   1) Discussion with Union

   T. Ward provided an overview of the CAC's history and perceived
   roll with the VFD, Council, the community etc. Emphasis of the
   Strategic Plan; open process and involvement.

   Response by union made reference to the past relationship with
   management and that the Strategic Plan was the "Straw that broke
   the Camel's back" as stated by the President. 

   Staff reductions (154 to 131) through the Strategic Planning
   process,  "Budget Management" program as well as promotional
   decisions and policies, increasing call volumes and higher level
   of required expertise by staff all sited as contributory to the
   unions withdrawal of the Strategic Planning process. Union felt
   they got burned.

                                                        Appendix B.7
                                                         Page 2 of 3


   Committee praised the department and the Union for past work.
   However, the community sees Fire Departments generally, as under
   utilized. Members stated that the Union's position was short
   sited as Strategic Planning is an ongoing process. Improving the
   quality of the Plan can only be accomplished through involvement
   and participation at all levels. The committee reinforced the
   pressures on Civil services through budget reduction, downsizing,
   accountability, regionalization etc. and indicated they expected
   this trend to continue in future years.   

   Union members availed the CAC of their perspective on the members
   as a whole (ie. team players, discourage hero image, pride of
   employment etc.) Reinforced that any further cuts in staff levels
   would be unacceptable to the membership and executive.

   The CAC extended an invitation to the Union to attend future
   meetings and supported forwarding meeting minutes to Local #18.

   Union expressed interest in presenting "hot topics" to the CAC
   for consideration and review of Local #18's perspective.
   Committee was favourable although were not clear as to intent for
   this review.

   Copies of Local #18 report on the Stanley Cup Riot were
   distributed to members of the CAC. The Union was acknowledged for
   their participation.


   2) Hazardous Materials Orientation

   The VFD's Hazardous Materials Unit and 3 team members gave the
   Committee a "hands on" overview of the Haz-Mat Unit and the teams
   operations and capabilities. CAC members toured the Haz-Mat Unit
   and discussed the various aspects of how the service is managed
   with the City and the GVRD.


   3) Strategic Plan

   After the Haz-Mat presentation the CAC meet and discussed their
   perspectives of the Unions position concerning the Strategic Plan
   and other issues. Importance of participation by all was again
   reinforced. The Committee's role in the Plan and with other
   groups like Council and Special Interest groups was also
   discussed.


   4) New Business

   The meeting location was discussed. Members of the CAC indicated
   there may be some advantages to meeting in different locations.
   (eg. a different firehall each meeting) This will be considered
   and a decision made in the near future.              Appendix B.7
                                                         Page 3 of 3



   The Fire Chief requested that copies of the department's report
   to the Police Commission on the Stanley Cup Riot as well as the 
   after action report on the Alberta Wheat Pool fire be forwarded
   with the minutes of this meeting.

   T. Ward indicated he was attending the Regionalization Workshop
   at Douglas college on October 15, 1994. Chief Perrie will also be
   attending. Chair will compile the outputs of this workshop for
   the CAC and present the information at the next meeting.

   Members expressed interest in further orientation to the
   department including apparatus ride alongs. Chief Perrie will set
   up a ride along for Chris Smith for identified dates in November.

   T. ward will contact J. Perrie to establish an agenda for the
   next meeting and establish the topic for the next meeting for the
   training/orientation program for the CAC members. He also
   suggested that members review the committee's "Terms of
   Reference" and do some "wordsmithing" to better reflect the CAC's
   role as seen by the committee.

   D. Kellum forwarded an address change as follows:

         #207 - 153 Powell Street
         Vancouver, B.C.
         V3A 1G2

   All future communications for Doug should be forwarded to this
   address.


   The meeting was adjourned at 1945 hours.



               NEXT MEETING, NOVEMBER 9, 1994 - 5:30 P.M.



                           *   *   *   *   *            APPENDIX B.8
                                                         Page 1 of 4


                     CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE  
                   Meeting Minutes - November 9, 1994


   IN ATTENDANCE:

       TOM WARD
       GLEN MADDESS
       BILL BUCHANAN
       JOHN PERRIE
       CHRIS SMITH
       DAN FISK
       TONY LAU
       WAYNE MOSER
       WARREN GILL
       DAN FISK

   ABSENT:                                                           

       ED MACKINNON
       MARILYN MURA
       DOUG KELLAM


   DISTRIBUTE TO:

       MAYOR                        CITY COUNCILLORS
       DEPUTY CITY MANAGER          VFD EXECUTIVE BOARD
       UNION


   Meeting called to order at 1740 hours. Previous minutes adopted.

   Opening comments by the Fire Chief. Topics discussed:

   1)  Current status of Union/management relations.

   2)  Discussion on the implementation of the new masks.

   3)  Report to Council on Dec. 6, 1994 concerning the
       reorganization of City departments.

   4)  Strategic Plan update. Inputs from staff and CAC
       incorporated into the process. Handouts made available with
       minutes of last meeting. Comments requested from CAC. Major
       focus of committee is in Strategic Planning. Performance
       Management System (PMS) currently being implemented. All
       senior staff except operations A/C's have been completed to
       date. Discussion of the change of work hours and expected
       increase in productivity by the operations A/C's.
                                                        Appendix B.8
                                                         Page 2 of 4


   5)  Alberta Wheat Pool fire. Law suit has been filed against the
       City. Suit has three major aspects. These are:

       1) fire fighting tactics used;
       2) closure of the PNE (loss of revenue); and
       3) possible counter action by welding company involved.


   6)  Grievances by union concerning A/C operations appointments
       and other positions. Union has placed City on notice that
       they will go to arbitration on A/C operations. Unusual in
       that it is an exempt position.


   Noted that non-confidence motions are not uncommon when there is
   significant change in an organization. 

   Many concerns raised by union staff concerning the role of the
   CAC. Many staff unsure about the committee's involvement, their
   power and role.

   Overview of the ride along on Rescue 3 by Chris Smith on November
   8th. Gave perspective of staff opinions and his observations at
   during his stay at the hall. These included but were not limited
   to staff perceptions of Council, role of CAC committee, cut backs
   in the Civil Service (nation wide), the VFD computer system, 
   apprehension of staff concerning ongoing changes and general
   overview of calls experienced. Question raised as to why the
   department does not charge people who turn in false calls.(1
   experience by Chris during his ride along) Fire Chief noted that
   this is an ongoing problem that is difficult to resolve.

   DR. JEFF FREEMAN - FIRST RESPONDER STUDY IN VANCOUVER

   Emergency physician from St. Pauls/Royal Columbian Hospitals. 
   Provincial medical coordinator for the First Responder program
   funded through the ministry of health and the B.C. Ambulance
   service. He has preliminary approval for a grant through the B.C.
   Health Research commission to study the VFD. Best candidate for
   study due to large call volume. (approx. 25,000 annually)

   First responder program in its infancy (less than 4 years)
   No question that fire departments responding to medical calls is
   useful. The main questions are "How useful?" and "What can be
   done to make it more effective?" "Should fire departments respond
   to all calls?" "Should the skills of the firefighter by increase
   to paramedic levels?"

   Very political issue. Comments received by Jeff are varied.
   Burnaby Fire has requested that they respond to all medical
   calls. Currently, there are some calls that the community may not
   want fire departments to respond to. Responding to all calls      
                                                                     
                                                                     
                                                        Appendix B.8
                                                         Page 3 of 4



   upsets some people's sensibilities. Requested committee members
   to give him the kind of questions they would like answered during
   the study. Part of study is to analyze how medical calls are
   dispatched through 911. Changes may be required to be more
   effective. Dispatch policies will be assessed. Results of the
   study will be published internationally.

   Parties involved are making decision and yet have no data to base
   these decision upon. Study will not conclude who should be doing
   what when but will provide the data to make decisions. Provincial

   system is unique in its 3 levels of response. (eg. blanket first
   responder, Basic Life support and Advanced Life support) Jeff is
   not aware of any other jurisdiction providing this type of
   coverage.

   Questions from committee:

   1)  Will this be a comparative study?
   2)  What benchmarks will be established?
   3)  Will fundamental issues between BCAS and first responders be
       resolved?
   4)  Will study have a life of it's own?
   5)  Who will make the objective and difficult decisions as to 
       what is important or not important during medical responses
       in the study?


   Every procedure that the VFD does while onscene will be accessed
   along with how useful each procedure was. Benefits may not only
   be medical in nature. VFD presence and assurance may have value. 

   Current dispatch system in Vancouver is not criteria based. Study
   may highlight the need for such a system. Are there ways that
   systems can be modified to be more effective? There is a
   potential to provide data that is not good from a fire department
   perspective. Without the cooperation of front line staff, the
   study would be impaired.

   Application to proceed with the grant must be processed within 2
   weeks for study to proceed. Comments or questions anyone would
   like answered in the study should be forwarded as soon as
   possible to Jeff @ 662-8712 or FAX @ 689-9831.(Must call before
   sending a FAX)


   TOUR OF NEW DISPATCH FACILITY

   CAC members toured the new dispatch facility. An overview of the
   divisions role and function along with the functionality of the
   Computer Aided Dispatch (CAD) system and Mobile Data Terminals
   (MDT) were also given.                               Appendix B.8
                                                         Page 4 of 4



   OVERVIEW OF FIRE DEPARTMENT CONSOLIDATION WORKSHOP BY T. WARD 

   Workshop was held at Douglas College in October. Was attended by
   T. Ward and J. Perrie of the CAC. General discussion of the
   ideas, concepts and experiences of other jurisdictions around
   regionalization/consolidation of services. Experience of other
   jurisdictions is that consolidation of services results in
   efficiencies of 10 to 15 percent without the loss of front line
   staff. Savings are from reductions in senior management ranks
   (region wide) and efficiencies gained through cooperative
   purchasing, planning etc...



   Meeting adjourned at 1945 hours.



              NEXT MEETING, DECEMBER 14, 1994 - 5:30 P.M.

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                                                        APPENDIX B.9
                                                         Page 1 of 4


                     CITIZENS' ADVISORY COMMITTEE  
                  Meeting Minutes - December 14, 1994


   IN ATTENDANCE:

             TOM WARD
             GLEN MADDESS
             ED MACKINNON
             JOHN PERRIE
             MARILYN MURA
             DAN FISK
             TONY LAU
             WARREN GILL


   ABSENT:
             BILL BUCHANAN
             WAYNE MOSER
             CHRIS SMITH
             DOUG KELLAM


   DISTRIBUTE TO:

             MAYOR                  CITY COUNCILLORS
             DEPUTY CITY MANAGER    VFD EXECUTIVE BOARD
             UNION


   Meeting called to order at 1740 hours. Previous minutes adopted.

   Draft copy of Annual Report forwarded by T. Ward for Committee
   input. Report will be compiled for presentation to Council in
   February/95.

   Opening comments by the Fire Chief. Topics discussed:

   1) Reorganization of City Departments down to 10.

      *  VFD will be excepted from the first phase of the process 
         but being encouraged to take part.
      *  3 departments currently managed by boards (e.g. Police, 
         Parks and Libraries) also excepted in the first phase.
      *  Council would also like Engineering to be looked at.


   2) Discussion of University Endowment Lands take over proposal.

      *  likelihood at the start of the process est. 10%. Current
         estimate is 60% chance it will occur.
      *  COV only interested if it will be able to make a profit. 
         Service provision cannot cost more than revenues from 
         Province.                                      Appendix B.9
                                                         Page 2 of 4

      *  Labour issues and others still in the forefront including 
         how staff will be incorporated into the department (union 
         and exempt), training issues, safety concerns and how the 
         process will be most effectively managed. Perspectives 
         changing daily. Better report to be provided at next 
         meeting.
      *  Province could order City to take over services. City 
         continuing to bargain in good faith. Will be a report to 
         Council early in 95.


   3) Update on the Department's 94/95 Strategic Plan.

      *  If UEL proposal is accepted, it will greatly impact the
         timelines on much of the planned agenda for 95.
      *  UEL takeover not currently included in the 95 Strategic 
         Plan.


   4) Recruiting Process

      *  report to Council on new recruiting process in 1995.        
         Process will be altered to:
           a) meet Council mandate;
           b) meet bonafide standards; and
           c) provide a process for good recruitment initiatives.


   5) Calgary Conference

      *  was noted by many in attendance that votes of non-
         confidence are not uncommon.
      *  excluded staff currently changing shift pattern as is 
         planned in the near future for VFD Assistant Chief (Ops)

   A copy of the Calgary report will be circulated to the Committee
   members with the minutes of this meeting.


   6) Vote of non-confidence by the union. 

   Majority of union members supported in the ballot vote held
   earlier this month. The CAC asked what impact it will have on the
   Department. Chief's response was that it makes union/management
   problems more difficult. Management will continues with an
   attitude of openness and inclusion. The big question is "What
   happens next?". Vote was likely a result of a number of recent
   actions by the management team. (e.g. request to discontinue with
   Associate membership in the Union and recent promotions in the
   Department) Comes in the midst of many management/union
   disagreements. May be used as a tactic in negotiations.

                                                        Appendix B.9
                                                         Page 3 of 4

   Some members of the committee noted that studies are currently
   underway by the Province and NFPA to define what a firefighter
   is; quantifying the role of the firefighter. Unions have very
   strong opinions in this area.

   The Fire Chief noted that the staff experience on the street
   interacting with the British Columbia Ambulance Service (BCAS)
   has changed in recent months. There seems to be less cooperation
   and existing practices like the sharing of supplies are not
   continuing. There is a great deal of sensitivity amongst BCAS
   staff which is likely a result of the pressures through AED
   deployment and on going discussions to merger services. The
   provincial Firefighters Union is currently conducting a study to
   examine how the Fire Services can provide the higher levels of
   medical response including paramedics.

   Was noted by the committee that all merger/amalgamation, mutual
   planning issues will be looked at in the future. Does not make
   sense for municipalities to continue isolationist type planning.
   Large cost saving and improvements in effectiveness to be gained.

   Committee training/orientation

   The following 3 videos were presented for the Committee.

   a) An overview of the Firefighter's Challenge. What it is, how
      it is completed. Background information provided as to how it
      was developed and how it is/will be used.

   b) Emergency Responses to B.C. Tel Central Offices.  An overview
      of the special hazards and consideration when responding to
      these facilities. Update on alarm connection of Vancouver
      Central Offices to the Department for Fire Alarm monitoring
      of these facilities.

   c) Auto extrication/emergency responses.  Video overview of the
      Holmatro tool in use as well as other emergency responses.
      Overview of the kinds of things required from front line
      staff on a daily basis.

   Election of Committee members

   Discussion of the process to elect committee members. All board
   members that wish to reapply should forward their application to
   the City Clerk's Office. Committee members due for reappointment 
   can contact the City Clerk's office and ask them to use the same
   application that was forwarded the last time each was elected.
   The VFD will have no say in the Committee's structure. The City
   Clerk's office will make the final determination for membership.
   Information has been forwarded to many organizations within the
   City to solicit their interest to be involved. A package of
   information was forwarded to Ray-Cam co-operative centre by VFD.
                                                        Appendix B.9
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   New Business

   D. Fisk had comments on two different situations that he wished
   to get on the Committee record. 

   1) He noted that on Monday (last) the Vancouver Fire Department
   responded to a fire at 601 W. Hastings (Level B). The property is
   owned by Marathon Reality and he would like to get the following
   comments on record.

      a)  The sprinkler system worked well in containing the fire.

      b)  Marathon is very pleased with the professional response 
          and actions taken by the department to mitigate the 
          situation including the potential water damage from the 
          sprinkler head activated.

      c)  Commended the VFD for the good work and quick action.


   2) The Building Owners and Managers Association (BOMA) have
   raised some concerns over a city by-law for alarm certification.
   He noted that the by-law is not very clear and exercises a heavy
   hand approach for the reverification of software based alarm
   systems when any degree of reprogramming has been done.

   BOMA has addressed the need for re-acceptance testing of alarm
   systems. Feel that a 10% reverification requirement to validate
   reprogramming be done for alarm systems. He noted that many
   systems that are reprogrammed do not function properly. Agrees
   that reverification is required, however, a complete
   reverification of alarm systems is very expensive. It may be
   difficult for some owner to comply.

   Discussions with the City will continue to the protocols for the
   best way of setting verification standards. Suggest that
   compliance to NFPA standards may be beneficial.


   Meeting adjourned at 1930 hours.


               NEXT MEETING, JANUARY 11,1995 - 5:30 P.M.



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                                                         APPENDIX C 
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                         CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                                           TO
                     THE VANCOUVER FIRE DEPARTMENT

                           TERMS OF REFERENCE


   AUTHORITY:       The Committee operates under the authority of
                    the Vancouver City Council resolution June 2,
                    1993, within the terms of references granted.


   PURPOSE:         The purpose of the Committee is to act in an
                    advisory capacity to the Fire Chief on matters
                    related to the development, operations and
                    future directions of the Fire Department.


   MEMBERSHIP:      The Committee shall consist of ten members
                    chosen from citizens nominated by various
                    interested community and professional
                    organizations as requested by the City Clerk's
                    Office.  Potential members are chosen in
                    consultation with the City Manager's Office and
                    the City Clerk's Office and forwarded to City
                    Council for review and appointment. Five members
                    shall be appointed or reappointed each year for
                    a term of two years.  Members may be reappointed

                    to a maximum of three consecutive terms.

                    In addition, the Fire Chief (and/or delegate),
                    and an Assistant Fire Chief (Fire Department
                    Liaison) and a City Councillor(s) will be ex-
                    officio.


   OFFICERS:        1)  Chair

                        a) The Chair will be appointed annually
                           from and by the Fire Department Advisory
                           Committee to see that the Committee
                           fulfils its duties and obligations.

                        b) The Chair shall chair all regular and
                           special meetings of the committee.

                        c) The Chair shall work with VFD support
                           staff to insure that agendas with
                           supporting documentation are circulated
                           to all committee members prior to
                           meetings.

                        d) The Chair shall insure proper minutes
                           are kept of all meetings and copies
                           shall be forwarded to the City Clerk and
                           committee members.            Appendix C 
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                    2)  Vice Chair

                        a) The Vice Chair will be appointed
                           annually from and by the Fire Department
                           Advisory Committee.

                        b) The Vice Chair shall act as Chair where
                           the Chairman is unable to meet any
                           standing obligations or is absent.

   ACTIONS:         The Committee shall review and make recommenda-
                    tions on:

                    a)  The Fire Department's Mission and Vision
                        Statements with a view to ensuring that it
                        is responsive to community needs and is the
                        guiding framework for the development of the
                        Fire Department;

                    b)  The Fire Department's Strategic Plan with a
                        view to ensuring that it is consistent with
                        the Mission and Vision statement;

                    c)  The Fire Department's programs, services and
                        budgets to ensure consistency with the
                        Mission, Vision and Strategic Plan and
                        available resources;

                    d)  All matters referred for attention by the
                        City Council, the Fire Chief and/or the
                        community.

                    e)  An annual report which will be submitted to
                        the Fire Chief and City Council.

   SUBCOMMITTEES:   The Chair, on the advice of the Committee, may
                    establish permanent and ad hoc subcommittees or
                    task fores as required.


   MEETINGS:        The Committee shall meet regularly on the second
                    Wednesday of each month except for July and
                    August. Special meetings may by called by the
                    Chair.



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   Revised May 11, 1994