REPORT TO COUNCIL VANCOUVER LIQUOR LICENSING COMMISSION June 25, 1997 A regular meeting of the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission was held on Wednesday, June 25, 1997, at 4:10 p.m. in Committee Room No. 2, third floor, City Hall. PRESENT: Councillor Lynne Kennedy, Chair Councillor Don Bellamy Councillor Alan Herbert Councillor Daniel Lee ALSO PRESENT: Paul Teichroeb, Chief License Inspector Inspector Dave Jones, i/c District 1, Police Department CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE: Judy Rogers, Deputy City Manager CLERK: Rae T. Wylson ADOPTION OF MINUTES The minutes of the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission regular meeting held May 15, 1997 were adopted as circulated. RECOMMENDATIONS 1. Commodore Cabaret, 870 Granville Street File No: 2614-6 The Commission had before it a memorandum dated June 17, 1997 (on file), in which the Chief License Inspector advised of the status of negotiations for operating and lease agreements for the Commodore Cabaret and providing a copy of an agreement signed by the building owner. In addition, the Commission had before it a letter dated June 25, 1997, in which Bert Hick of Hick & Associates advised of his retention by the applicant to assist with liquor licencing and operational issues (on file). Paul Teichroeb, Chief License Inspector, reviewed details of the signed agreement dealing specifically with ensuring the retention of the facility in a format similar to its past style of operation. A condition of the agreement requires potential lessees to meet with the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission to discuss the operation of the Commodore and how it might contribute to the success of Vancouver's entertainment district. In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Teichroeb provided the status of the Commodore's existing Class 'B' and Class 'C' licenses , noting, under agreement with the Province, any substantial changes to the layout of the facility could impact the licenses. Paul Vickers, potential Commodore lessee, advised the Commission of his ownership and involvement in the operation and management of 30 businesses, including several night clubs, in Alberta. In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Vickers provided details concerning the following practices employed in his existing night club operations: - management team composition; - management and employee training program; - door monitoring and other security practices; - relationship with Police; and - marketing initiatives, including drink specials and specialized entertainment. During the ensuing question period, Mr. Vickers provided the following information with respect to the proposed use of the Commodore: - it will remain in its original structural except for the addition of 25 ladies washroom stalls; - a combination of live and recorded music will be utilized, namely live entertainment weekdays and recorded music on weekends except in cases where a special event has been scheduled; - live entertainment will be showcase on broadcast television and Internet concerts; and - may be used as a venue for special events including all ages shows and corporate functions. In response to a request by Police, Mr. Vickers agreed to sign a consent form allowing the Vancouver Police to obtain from the Alberta Police any files concerning Vicker's Alberta businesses. In response to further questions from the Commission regarding the proposed entertainment program for the Commodore, Mr. Vickers noted special ladies nights featuring male burlesque dancers are regularly scheduled at several of his Alberta night clubs and may be included in the Commodore's program. Discussion ensued regarding the difference between "strippers" and "burlesque dancers". Mr. Vickers clarified and staff confirmed burlesque dancers are similar to strippers except they do not remove all clothing and expose themselves only to their briefs. In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Teichroeb advised the agreement with the owners does not prohibit ladies nights or use of burlesque dancers. Further, the City would have legal difficulties in including a clause of this nature in the agreement. In response to a direct question from the Commission regarding his willingness to exclude male burlesque dancers from intended entertainment for the Commodore, Mr. Vickers advised he would not consent but would consider it in consultation with his lawyer. Shiraz Karmali, Mr. Vicker's business partner, provided the Commission with information concerning the management of their combined businesses, noting his role as Finance Manager. Ellie O'Day, Executive Director of the Pacific Music Industry Association, and organizer of a rally to keep the Commodore open, noted closure of the Commodore has resulted in Vancouver having to forgo many opportunities to host live shows featured in other North American cities due to lack of an appropriate venue. The industry would welcome the reopening of the Commodore and the opportunity to host shows at this venue in future. A member of the Commission expressed concern with respect to the proposed entertainment planned for the Commodore specifically the use of ladies nights and male burlesque dancers, given the non-conformity of these uses to the Commodore's previous entertainment format and in light of possible negative impacts on Vancouver's entertainment district. The following motion by Councillor Bellamy was put and carried, the Commission therefore RECOMMENDED THAT the presentation by Paul Vickers regarding plans for the Commodore Cabaret at 870 Granville Street, be received for information. - CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 2. Privatizing Liquor: The Case for Privatization of Liquor in B.C. - A Fraser Institute Conference File No: 2611 The Commission had before it a conference brochure regarding the Fraser Insitute's June 25, 1997, conference titled "Privatizing Liquor: The Case for Privatization of Liquor in B.C." (on file). The Chair and Councillor Herbert advised of their attendance at the conference and provided comments concerning the presentations, specifically regarding the social impacts of privatization. Reference was made to comments of a presenter at the conference that implementation of the privatization of liquor should not include municipal or public consultation nor media involvement. Although privatization has occurred in Alberta, speakers at the conference did not anticipate the same would occur in B.C. in the near future. It was noted the change is not imminent but it is being investigated by the Province. Councillors who attended the conference did not sense any urgency and did not anticipate the need for staff to report back at this time. The City's concern with Provincial legislation at this time is with securing the authority to roll back hours. In response to questions from the Commission regarding Police concerns, Inspector Dave Jones advised major concerns would be with the need for increased supervision of additional outlets. As well, Police are concern with illegal importing of liquor which sees a portion of sales returned to the country of origin. The following motion by Councillor Bellamy was put and carried, the Commission therefore RECOMMENDED THAT the presentation by the Chair and Commissioner Herbert regarding the Fraser Institute's Conference on privatizing liquor in British Columbia, be received for information. - CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY 3. Correspondence from the Attorney General File No: 2611 The Commission was advised of a letter dated June 19, 1997, in which the Attorney General thanked the Commission for its feedback concerning Tex Enemark's report on Provincial liquor policy and advising the Ministry is reviewing the recommendations contained in the report. The letter also states the report will go to cabinet in the near future and that the government will consult with stakeholders and other levels of government prior to implementation. The following motion by Councillor Bellamy was put and carried, the Commission therefore RECOMMENDED THAT the correspondence dated June 19, 1997 from the Attorney General regarding recommendations concerning the Province's liquor licensing polices, be received for information. - CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY The Commission adjourned at 5:50 p.m. * * * * *