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                               CITY OF VANCOUVER

                     VANCOUVER LIQUOR LICENSING COMMISSION

                               October 24, 1996


        A regular meeting of the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission was
   held on Thursday, October 24, 1996, at approximately 7:30 p.m. in
   Committee Room No. 2, Third Floor, City Hall.

             PRESENT:  Councillor Kennedy, Chair
                       Councillor Hemer
                       Councillor Ip

             ABSENT:   Councillor Kwan (Leave of Absence)

             ALSO
             PRESENT:  Judy Rogers, Deputy City Manager
                       Paul Teichroeb, Deputy Chief License Inspector
                       Domenic Losito, Director, Environmental Health
                       S/Sgt. Doug MacKay-Dunn, Police Department

             CLERK:    Rae T. Wylson


   POWER TO ACT

        On January 11, 1994, Council, by the required majority, granted the
   Commission Power to Act on all unanimous decisions.  The decisions of
   the Commission contained herein are unanimous and, therefore, stand
   approved.


   ADOPTION OF MINUTES

        The minutes of the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission meeting of
   September 26, 1996, were adopted as circulated.


   1.   777 Pacific Boulevard - B.C. Place Stadium
        Class 'E' Stadium Liquor License                        File:2615-9

        The Commission had before it an Administrative Report dated October
   2, 1996 (on file), in which the Deputy Chief License Inspector advised
   of B.C. Pavilion Corporation s request for a City Council resolution
   endorsing its application for a Class 'E' Stadium liquor license at B.C.
   Place Stadium, 777 Pacific Boulevard.

                                                          cont'd....

   Clause No. 1 (cont'd)


        Paul Teichroeb, Deputy Chief License Inspector, advised a Class 'E'
   license would formalize the existing liquor practices at this facility.

        The following motion by Councillor Hemer was put and carried. 
   Therefore the Commission,

   RESOLVED

        THAT the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission endorse the request
        from the B.C. Pavilion Corporation for a Class 'E' Stadium liquor
        license at B.C. Place Stadium, 777 Pacific Boulevard.

                                                - CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY



   2.   789 Homer (New Hotel) - 455322 B.C. Ltd.
        Class 'A' Lounge Liquor License                        File:2611-37

        The Commission had before it an Administrative Report dated October
   7, 1996 (on file), in which the Deputy Chief License Inspector advised
   of 455322 B.C. Ltd.'s request for a City Council resolution endorsing
   its application for a Class 'A' Lounge in three separate areas with a
   patron capacity of 225, 104 and 60 respectively, plus an outdoor patio
   consisting of 50 seats, in the hotel to be constructed at 789 Homer
   Street.

        Paul Teichroeb, Deputy Chief License Inspector, reviewed
   particulars of the report including the location of the project and the
   nature and number of licensed premises in the area.  Mr. Teichroeb noted
   that staff recommend an 11:00 p.m. patio closing time.

        Discussion ensued regarding closing times of other licensed patios
   in the area.  Most close at 11:00 p.m.  Clarification was provided that
   the patio at this hotel will be closed and the patrons dispersed by
   11:00 p.m.

        Dennis Coates, Mair Jensen Blair, representing the applicant,
   circulated a brief and floor plan (on file).


                                                          cont'd....

   Clause No. 2 (cont'd)


        Raphael Barta, applicant, advised the application is for a
   26-storey, 227-room, executive all-suites hotel which will seek a four
   star rating.  It is located in the transition zone between Yaletown and
   the Ford Theatre and the Downtown core.

        In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Barta advised the
   licensed patio is on a setback and as such is not located on City
   property.  The developers have had extensive discussions with the City's
   Planning Department regarding the patio and as a result the patio area
   has become quite defined.  Work has begun to prepare the site and the
   hotel is projected to open in December 1998.

        The following motion by Councillor Hemer was put and carried. 
   Therefore the Commission,

   RESOLVED

        THAT Council endorse the request from 455322 B.C. Ltd., for a Class
        'A' Lounge liquor license, with 225 seats in area 1, 104 seats in
        area 2, 60 seats in area 3 and a maximum 50-seat patio (subject to
        Director of Planning review), in a new hotel complex at 789 Homer
        Street, subject to the outdoor patio closing at 11:00 p.m.

                                                - CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY



   3.   1150 Station Street - 484946 B.C. Ltd.
        Class 'D' Neighbourhood Pub                           File: 2614-13

        The Commission had before it an Administrative Report dated October
   7, 1996 (on file), in which the Deputy Chief License Inspector advised
   of 484946 B.C. Ltd. s request for a City Council resolution endorsing
   its application for a 30-seat Class 'D' Neighbourhood Pub at 1150
   Station Street.  The proposed hours of operation are 11:00 a.m. to 11:00
   p.m., seven days a week.

        Paul Teichroeb, Deputy Chief License Inspector, reviewed
   particulars of the report including the location of the project and the
   nature and number of licensed premises in the area.  Mr. Teichroeb noted
   staff generally support this application but recommend a referendum to
   determine neighbourhood support.

                                                          cont'd....

   Clause No. 3 (cont'd)


        S/Sgt. Doug MacKay-Dunn, Vancouver Police Department, advised of
   Police concerns.  This establishment is in close proximity to several
   problematic venues in the area.  An increase in seats at this location
   may increase the already high demand for Police services in downtown
   eastside.  The Police recommend a neighbourhood referendum be conducted.

        Dennis Coates, Mair Jensen Blair, representing the applicant,
   advised the applicant's proposal is for a venue similar in nature to an
   airport lounge.  Its hours will coordinate with bus and train schedules
   at the station.  The applicant feels problematic patrons will not be
   attracted to the pub given its location within the station.

        In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Coates clarified
   that VIA Rail has provided the applicant with a lease, dependant upon
   the outcome of the application process.  It was noted that VIA Rail and
   the bus lines support this application.

        Dan Greenwood, applicant, advised this venue will be a simple
   little lounge intended for the customers of the rail and bus lines.  Mr.
   Greenwood confirmed there will be no off-premise sales.

        James Terry, Vice President Guest Services, Rocky Mountaineer Rail
   Tours, advised of his company's opposition to this application.  Rocky
   Mountaineer Rail Tours has concerns with the possibility of a licensed
   premise in this location.  The concerns noted included:

   -    there are already problems with panhandlers and drunks in this
        area;
   -    a licensed premise may necessitate increased security to ensure the
        safety of the offices in the building; and
   -    the rails are a particularly dangerous area, especially for
        intoxicated persons.

        In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Terry advised
   Rocky Mountaineer Rail Tours has approximately 44,000 passengers during
   the six-month period it operates.  Its train departs at 8:00 a.m. and
   arrives at 5:30 p.m.  VIA Rail runs three trains per week, arriving at
   8:30 a.m. and departing at 8:00 p.m. 

        Mr. Terry clarified that present security consists of two and
   sometimes three people on shift at one time.

                                                          cont'd....

   Clause No. 3 (cont'd)


        Mark Tradine, Manager, Customer Services, VIA Rail and Manager of
   the Train Station, advised that VIA Rail, Greyhound and the Station
   Management Group support this application.  It is felt the applicant
   will provide a much needed place for the station's passengers to sit and
   relax.

        With regard to security, Mr. Tradine advised there are few
   break-ins at the station.  The main security concern is with passengers
   who miss connections and hope to stay overnight in the station.

        Concerning the station's schedule, Mr. Tradine confirmed the hours
   of operation are 5:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight.  With regard to bus
   schedules, the first buses depart at 5:45 a.m. and the last arrival is
   at 12:00 midnight.  There are presently two or three departures after
   11:00 p.m. on any given evening year-round.

        In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Coates confirmed
   it is the applicant's intent to serve specialty coffees to morning
   passengers.  The specialty coffee area is located directly in front and
   outside of the licensed area.

        The Commission requested and received clarification from staff that
   the number of seats could not be increased without an increase in square
   footage and approval from the Commission. 

        The following motion by Councillor Hemer was put and carried. 
   Therefore the Commission,

   RESOLVED

        THAT the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission direct that
        consideration of the request by 484946 B.C. Ltd., for a Class 'D'
        Neighbourhood Pub liquor license at 1150 Station Street, be subject
        to the results of a referendum conducted in accordance with
        existing City guidelines and also subject to no entertainment or
        off-premise sales.

                                                - CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY


   4.   2784-2786 East Hastings Street - Steve Wong 
        Class 'D' Neighbourhood Pub                           File: 2614-12

        The Commission had before it an Administrative Report dated October
   9, 1996 (on file), in which the Deputy Chief License Inspector advised
   of Mr. Steve Wong's request for a City Council resolution endorsing his
   application for a 65-seat Class 'D' Neighbourhood Pub at 2784-2786 East
   Hastings Street.

        The Chair acknowledged the approximately 25 people in attendance at
   the meeting concerning this item and requested a show of hands for those
   in support of the application.  No support was indicated.  Following
   this unofficial survey, staff and the applicant were invited to comment.

        Paul Teichroeb, Deputy Chief License Inspector, advised the
   location of this application is near the PNE in a residential
   neighbourhood.  Staff recommend approval of the application be subject
   to a further assessment of impacts to the neighbourhood and improvements
   to the building.  Staff have specific concerns regarding the proximity
   of this establishment to the residential neighbourhood.  As well,
   response to the area notification has indicated considerable opposition. 
   In addition to these concerns, the question of off-premise sales is yet
   to be addressed by the applicant. 

        Tom Chow, the applicant's landlord, advised the applicant, Mr.
   Wong, conducted a private survey in the surrounding area which indicated
   support for the application.  Mr. Chow noted Mr. Wong is willing to
   comply with the City's requirements in order to gain the Commission's
   approval for the application.  Mr. Chow further noted that Mr. Wong has
   had experience operating a 250-seat nightclub and has confidence in his
   ability to deal with any challenges which may arise in the operation of
   this 65-seat neighbourhood pub.

        Steve Wong, applicant, advised the Deputy Chief License Inspector
   was provided with the results of his private survey.  Mr. Wong noted
   entertainment will consist of TV stands and music.  With regard to
   parking, there are 22 stalls beside the building with an entrance from
   Hastings Street.

        In response to questions from the Commission, Mr. Teichroeb
   confirmed receipt of the applicant's aforementioned survey.  The results
   of the survey were not what staff would consider valid and so were not
   submitted for the Commission's consideration.


                                                          cont'd....

   Clause No. 4 (cont'd)


        In the ensuing discussion, the members of the Commission noted the
   correspondence and telephone calls each received expressing opposition
   to the application.  Further, the Commission noted the number of
   speakers and public present at the meeting also expressing opposition to
   the application.

        The following motion by Councillor Hemer was put and carried. 
   Therefore the Commission,

   RESOLVED

        THAT the Vancouver Liquor Licensing Commission advise the Liquor
        Control and Licensing Branch it does not support the request by
        Steve Wong for a Class 'D' Neighbourhood Pub liquor license at
        2784-2786 East Hastings Street.

                                                      - CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY



   5.   Noise Complaints: Big Bam Boo Club                      File:2613-3

        The Commission had before it an item of correspondence dated
   October 9, 1996 (on file), which identified concerns regarding noise
   arising from the Big Bam Boo Club.

        It was noted this issue was initially raised at a recently held
   Noise Task Force public hearing.

        Domenic Losito, Director of Environmental Health, provided a
   history of the City's file on the Big Bam Boo Club.  Noise concerns
   regarding this venue have arisen in the past.  The owners will comply
   for a time following City action but gradually noise levels escalate.

        The City has not taken any action to prosecute but is willing to do
   so if immediate compliance is not enacted.

        Stan Fiddas, Owner, Big Bam Boo Club, reviewed past endeavours to   reduce noise emanating from the back doors of the Club.  Mr. Fiddas
   noted $500,000 has been spent in addressing this issue and in bringing
   the building's fire standards up to code.  The back doors, identified by
   City engineers as the main problem, serve as the fire  exit and  the
   only wheelchair entrance to the Club.  With

                                                          cont'd....

   Clause No. 5 (cont'd)

   regard to further actions to reduce noise, the Club's sound engineer has
   proposed a mute system which would cause the music to dim should the
   back doors open.  Another solution would be to relocate the fire
   exit/wheelchair entrance to the side of the building.  This option,
   however, is considerably costly.

        Mr. Fiddas advised the Club would be willing to cooperate with the
   City to lesson the impacts of noise from its back doors on the
   residential neighbourhood.

        At the request of the Commission, staff provided information on the
   feasibility of entering into a sustainable agreement with the Club
   owner.  Staff are willing to meet with the owner to initiate steps for a
   formal agreement to ensure compliance with noise regulations.  Such a
   formal agreement would tie the business owner's license to compliance
   with the agreement.

        Mr. Fiddas indicated his willingness to meet with City staff
   concerning noise regulations and possible solutions concerning this
   issue as it relates to the Big Bam Boo Club.



   OTHER BUSINESS


   6.   Staff Recognition

        The Commission expressed its appreciation to staff for their  work
   over the past year.



   7.   Next Meeting - January 1997

        The next regular VLLC meeting will take place in January 1997.  The
   Administrative Report from the Police providing an update on licensed
   premises was deferred to that meeting.



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               The meeting adjourned at approximately 9:15 p.m.