Vancouver City Council |
ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT
Date: January 7, 2003
Author/Local: S. Brown/ 7693
RTS No. 2339
CC File No. 5553T&T: February 11, 2003
TO:
Standing Committee on Transportation and traffic
FROM:
General Manager of Engineering Services
SUBJECT:
Proposed Windsor Bike Route
RECOMMENDATION
A. THAT the Windsor bike route be constructed as detailed in this report at a total cost of $600,000 to be provided from the 2003 Streets Basic Capital allocation for the Bicycle Network, subject to approval of the 2003 Streets Basic Capital Budget.
B. THAT the annual streets operating budget for horticulture maintenance be increased by $5,500 and the sign maintenance budget be increased by $2,000; without offset, subject to 2004 Budget Review, for the maintenance of 11 new traffic circles, two sets of curb extensions, a centre median and approximately 61 new bicycle route and traffic control signs along the new bike route, starting in 2004.
POLICY
Council approved the 1999 Bicycle Plan which outlines the goal to develop the bicycle network to ensure a grid of bikeways approximately 1km apart.
Council approved the Vancouver Transportation Plan that emphasizes the need for developing more bikeways and ranks cyclists second priority after pedestrians.Council approved the recommendations of the 1992 Bicycle Network Study in which the major recommendation was the priority to integrate bicycles on local streets through the construction of locally integrated bikeways
Council approved the Inverness Bike route which, in conjunction with the proposed Windsor Bikeway, will provide better connection to a major regional Bridge (Knight Street).
PURPOSE
This report seeks approval for the implementation of the Windsor Bike Route.
ROUTE DESIGN
Windsor Street was selected for the development of a bikeway due to its proximity to Knight Street. This route will provide a north-south connection between Great Northern Way and the Midtown/ Ridgeway Greenway as well as to the Inverness Bike Route, which will complete the connection to the Knight Street Bridge. Currently the spacing between north/south routes in this area is over 4km, which is much greater than the ultimate goal for route spacing of 1km.
Windsor Street was selected over other streets within the vicinity of Knight street for a number of reasons including:
1) it is one of the only continuous north/south streets in close proximity.
2) it is one of the better streets for grades (particularly between 33rd and 37th ave)
3) there are several parks and schools on this route
4) there is strong support from the residents along the street as well as large efforts invested by the residents to beautify the streetscape through the blooming boulevards program
Figure 1 shows the location of the Windsor Bike Route and how it ties into other existing and future bike routes in the area.
There are a number of measures along the proposed bikeway to help reduce vehicle speeds and to help cyclists cross busy arterials. The following provides a summary of the proposed measures and recommended locations.
Traffic Circles
Traffic Circles would be installed at the following intersections along the bike route to help reduce vehicle speeds and increase intersection safety:
· Glen Drive/ 7th Ave
· Windsor/ 10th Ave
· Windsor/ 11th Ave
· Windsor/ 14th Ave
· Windsor/ 20th Ave
· Windsor/ 21st Ave
· Windsor/ 28th Ave
· Windsor/ 29th Ave
· Windsor/ 31st Ave
· Windsor/ 35th Ave
· Windsor/ 38th AveFIGURE 1: Windsor Bike Route General Alignment
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Corner BulgesA large corner bulge around the south-east corner of Gray's park, in conjunction with a signal across 33rd Ave, is proposed to help cyclists/ pedestrians cross the offset intersection.
Members of the "Friends of Gray's Park" Committee and the Parks Board were consulted to explore other options to improve the crossing of 33rd Ave and this option was selected as it has no impact on park space.
Corner bulges are also proposed at Windsor/ 19th Ave/ Kingsway to help reduce the corner cutting by drivers travelling to/ from 19th Ave and Kingsway.Centre Median
A centre median will be installed at the intersection of Windsor and King Edward. This median will restrict all left turn movements as well as the north/ south through movements along Windsor Street. This measure received approximately 75% approval in the survey, and will be installed on a temporary 6 month trial basis with monitoring of traffic volumes on nearby streets. After this trial period, residents within the neighbourhood will be surveyed again to obtain their opinion of the centre median.
Speed Humps
Speed humps will be installed at 5 locations along the bike route near schools and parks. The five locations are as follows
Between 6th and 7th on Glen - China Creek Park
Between 17th and 18th on Windsor- Dickens Elementary School
Between 22nd and 24th on Windsor- Dickens Annex/ Glen Park
Between 31st and 33rd on Windsor- McBride Annex/ Gray's Park
Between 39th and 40th on Windsor- Mackenzie Elementary SchoolCyclist/ Pedestrian Lights
There is one new Cyclist/Pedestrian Activated Signal to be installed at Windsor/ 33rd Ave as discussed above. Also, the major crossings along the route including Great Northern Way, Broadway, 12th Ave, Kingsway and 41st Ave already have signals to assist cyclists crossing at these locations. The existing signals will be retrofitted with cyclist push buttons where necessary
Other Connections
The main route for the Windsor Bikeway will extend from Great Northern Way (Future bike lanes) past the future 10th Avenue Bikeway to the Ridgeway Greenway, where cyclists can divert along the Ridgeway to Inverness to continue their trip south. However, an alternativedaytime route (there will be no lighting) will extend up to 41st Avenue where the route will follow the boulevard into Memorial Park South and along the existing paved path to 43rd Avenue, then along to the Inverness Bikeway (see figure 1).
NEIGHBOURHOOD CONSULTATION
Input from the affected neighbourhood was gathered through a survey and public open house. Approximately 3,800 surveys were sent out to residents within two blocks on either side of the bike route to obtain their opinion on the proposed measures and a response rate of 14% was achieved. Support for the measures of the proposed bike route ranged from 62 to 84%.
During the course of the mail-out, plans for the route expanded to include a section from 10th Ave down to Great Northern Way. Another survey form was created to include measures proposed along this extended part of the route and was distributed to residents at the north end of the route. This is why there is a low number of responses to the measures along Glen Drive. The survey form and a summary of the responses is provided in Appendix A and a summary of the comments is provided in Appendix B. The Bicycle Advisory Committee has endorsed this route.ROUTE SIGNAGE
The signage will be similar to what has been successful on other bike routes throughout the city. All are based on the use of clear internationally recognised standard symbols with minimum wording. The route markers will be placed approximately 2 blocks apart with signs and stencils placed near the intersections with arterial streets. As well, replacement street name signs that include a bicycle logo, and new bicycle pavement markings will be installed along the length of the new route.
FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS
The total cost of the Windsor Bike Route will be $600,000 for route signage, signals and construction of traffic calming measures along the route. There is the potential for funding of up to $200,000 to be received from TransLink's Bicycle Infrastructure Capital Cost Sharing (BICCS) Program. The construction of the route will be funded from the 2003 Streets Basic Capital allocation for the Bicycle Network, subject to approval of the 2003 Streets Basic Capital Budget. Financing of $2.8 million was approved for this category as part of the 2003-2005 capital plan.
There should be an increase to the annual streets operating budget for horticulture maintenance ($5,500) for maintenance of traffic circles along the route and $2,000 for the annual sign maintenance budget all without offset, starting in 2004 and subject to the 2004 Budget Review.
APPENDIX A
Windsor Bike Route Resident Survey Form
APPENDIX B
Windsor Bike Route Resident Survey
Summary of Comments
Excellent
Who will take care of cleaning circle?
This idea is quite good. Complete the unfinished works (uneven sidewalks, broken curbs, uneven road etc.) before jumping into new construction. Problem area is in between Prince Albert and Windsor on 38th Ave. This complaint has been in the City for more than 10 years.
Yes, more bike routes, more bikes' safety on the routes, less cars on the road.
The more bike routes, the better
I appreciate what has happened on East 37th on the Ridgeway. I encourage more of that throughout the city. Visitors comment favourably on the amenities on 37th now.
Not sure of the benefits of traffic circles as some people are confused as to who has the right of way.
As soon as possible
The bike route should be closer to Knight Street.
Anything that makes the city more bicycle-friendly is great! Keep it up.
We are bike users and would use all proposed routes.
We need more stop signs on St. Catherine.
Concerned about the extra traffic (local and non-local) on St. Catherines St. as a result of this. We already have a large volume of traffic, this will make it worse. What about us?
We need more of these.
We don't live in the area; however, if we could get speed bumps put on 37th Ave. and between Windsor and Prince Albert because motorists like to speed on 37th Ave. Children are in danger.
Areas checked off are areas most affected by our family.
Speed bumps are more effective than traffic circles. Corner bulges are harder to judge with vans and running boards.
Between 33rd and 41st, is there sufficient traffic volume to warrant traffic calming devices? Are there plans to widen Windsor as there is barely enough width for parked cars and vehicle traffic?
Traffic now uses 31st as a parallel to 33rd through way to Knight. Many drivers don't stop at the signs. The traffic does need to be slowed. Concerned about bike routes through parks. Too many children & dogs at Gray Park. Someone will get hurt if bikers get included in the park usage.
I've been an avid cyclist all my life . If confidential, why do you need my name & address? Ideas are more important than references. Streets in Vancouver run basically parallel to each other. Cyclists should be encouraged to utilize side streets for the main part of their journeys until they arrive within proximity of their destination. It's safer that way. Too many traffic circles impedes traffic flow for all vehicles including cyclists. Speed humps and traffic circles are costly to the municipality to install. Speed humps are not required on residential side streets. Traffic flow and speed on side streets are moderate enough. Speed humps create a hazard for young cyclists and those who are carrying loads on their bikes. Also speed humps cause additional stress for drivers of automobiles.
The neighbourhood between 33rd - 41st along Windsor St. is heavily taxed for through traffic routes to 41st because of the Midtown Bike Route along 37th. A better route would be Glen Dr. to 21st then to Inverness St. This gives a complete through street and does not involve cutting up green parks space for paved route. Is this not also a pedestrian route?
I very much support these ideas and really think that you should install these bike routes and speed bumps.
Stop wasting the taxpayers money with this. Put the money to better use by putting in more left-turn lanes and advanced green on Knight Street. What does this initiative do to the traffic flow on St. Catherine? Both streets are peaceful now.
Not through the parks please.
Please leave the parks alone! Do not cut paths through Gray and Memorial Park!
Do not like speed humps. Need more reinforcement re STOP signs in neighbourhood. 50-80% of drivers do not obey signs.
Install traffic circles first. If further slowing down is needed add speed bumps.
As of now there are no street lights in the park. To make this a safe route, lighting is very important.
We understand bike routes will delay local traffic; however, we want to continue to improve city beauty . Like bike route to keep No. 1 in the world
Stop wasting tax payers money and leave the streets the way they are now. Corner bulges are stupid at best and obstructive too! Strongly object!!!!
I feel traffic circles, corner bulges and speed humps interfere with the speed with which emergency vehicles can respond to community needs. Cyclists can wait their turn at intersections just like cars.
From 24th to 41st, Windsor is a main drive through street. Put bike route closer to Fraser or Knight Street.
Short time visitors will find difficult to hunt for the parking as well as if we have prayer celebration at our place inviting about 20-25 people!
Wonderful! Please continue to work towards achieving a safe and healthy environment for cyclists and walkers. We would also like speed bumps in our alley, between Windsor and St. Catherine on north side of 12th Avenue. Vehicles drive too fast and it is dangerous. Thanks.
Also would like to see "bike only lanes" on major arteries for the speedier bike commuters, I.e. on dangerous Kingsway.
Will there be a light at 12th & Windsor?
Any enhancing of cycle and traffic has my full support. See you at the meeting.
Stop sign is more useful than traffic circle or speed humps.
Money for this project would be better spent on left turn lanes on Knight St. and Kingsway.
Great idea!
These all are good for our community.
#5 to #17 not applicable to me - does not impact on my driving/life, etc.
Windsor/King Edward traffic light 4-way stop signs at Windsor - 17th and 18th and at Windsor -24th.
Excellent Plan! I suggest also changing the traffic light at Kingsway and Windsor to pedestrian/cyclist controlled only. Also, a bus shelter west-bound on King Edward at Windsor at the well used bus stop there.
I am particularly concerned about the Windsor/King Edward intersection, and I believe that we will need a traffic light there.
How will the crossing of 33rd Avenue be handled? With no lights between Knight St. & Fraser St., the traffic on 33rd Avenue is a problem for pedestrians and cyclists. I am certainly a motorist, but I encourage measures to slow traffic.
The proposed bike route works out perfectly for me because my daughter, who lives in Kits, can use a safe bike route to get to my house.
Enjoy the little parks along 37th Avenue.
Bike route is a good idea. Make sure the signs can be easily seen by drivers.
I am not clear on what is planned for #8 - Windsor/King Edward. But a crosswalk or something (lights) would be necessary)
A traffic circle is needed at Windsor/35th Avenue. Cars come racing down 35th and the stop signs on Windsor are regularly ignored. This corner would be unsafe without traffic calming for a bike route!
I constantly witness traffic speeding and running stop signs up and down Windsor. Any measures to slow down this area is welcome. The traffic circle @ 16th is great.
I think the bike route is great, however, I do suggest you offer an educational program for drivers. They simply do not know how to handle oncoming traffic at a traffic circle.
I heartily approve of bike routes. Others who have had more experience should comment on safety measures.
Move up the date for the 10th Avenue bike route completion.
Please install a pedestrian/cyclist controlled traffic light, or at least a crosswalk at Windsor and King Edward.
Perhaps future initiatives to limit street parking may help alleviate parked-automobile-crowded streets. Parked cars reduce road space making it dangerous for cyclists et al. I'd like to see an auto ban in downtown , putting $ for transit and human-powered vehicles - healthier, cleaner, better.
Any "solution" at Windsor and 20th will have to take into account the church at 19th and traffic patterns from 19th flowing out to Kingsway. If a barrier (median) is installed at Windsor/King Edward, concerns have been expressed about traffic diverting to St. Catherines and Glen.
#13 - I am against cutting up the corner of the park. #14 - Will there be one-way only (north-south)? #15- Will this help discourage or prevent the large trucks that use Windsor? #8 Not sure what median will be like.
Don't waste money on stuff no one is going to use! ! Five bicycles a day does not warrant $75,000 = $25,000 per bicycle.
#8 - Install traffic light and hand control.
All bicycles should be licensed! When the light at King Edward turns red cars now turn right at Windsor or St. Catherine St. and speed across east 24th Avenue. Have observed them going thru stop sign at 24th and Prince Albert on to Fraser to avoid left at 25th and Fraser.
We are all in favour of bike routes in the city, however, living on Inverness which is already a cut-off for traffic, including large trucks that cannot wait to get to Knight via Kingsway, perhaps we could also get some traffic circles and humps.
Speed humps are fine because they don't make it difficult for large vehicles to manoeuvre.
Traffic circles at #4, 7, 12, 16. Absolutely no speed bumps.
Traffic circles should be gardens like the ones on Ontario bike route. I ride everyday everywhere in the city and I use all bike routes. Thank you for asking input.
We would like a way of slowing traffic coming off of Windsor and onto Kingwood Ave. as we have about 20 young children living in this one block long street. Even though it is not convenient route to Fraser or anywhere else, we think a crosswalk and light would be good.
Provide a safe route for parents and kids travelling to the 5 schools located directly on Windsor and to John Oliver School; give students cycling to VCC King Edward Campus a route to the school that is direct (via Windsor and the 7th/8th Avenue Bikeway) but which avoids major arterial streets; allow direct access to the 4 parks and one 'pocket park' along the route; establish a link for cyclists travelling between the proposed Finning lands development and East Vancouver on a route that is direct and has the least grade of any road between Main and Knight; enhance the neighbourhood street beautification currently underway along Windsor with the Blooming Boulevards Project.
Please try to ensure that the route doe not become attractive to shortcutting motorists. Sections of Ontario and Heather are now very difficult due to such traffic.
Traffic lights for crossing east King Edward!
A speed bump between 33rd and 35th would benefit due to excessive traffic, or traffic circle at Windsor and 35th - very busy. This is perhaps from traffic coming off of 33rd.
Great idea and it will slow down traffic, especially at school zone on Windsor and 24and 23 Avenues. Thank you.
Most traffic circles on Ontario Street force vehicles to cut into the pedestrian's path especially at narrower intersections. I would rather see bike routes on main streets although I know this is impossible in some instances. I prefer to ride my bicycle on main streets - you don't have to slow down or stop every two or three blocks, no waiting for pedestrian lights and the light at 12th andOntario takes a while sometimes. What if bicycles were allowed on sidewalks (outside the downtown core)? It seems to work in Japan & Europe. Maybe bicycle traffic on shop line and streets would benefit the merchants.
I am unsure about the centre median on King Edward. Is it wide enough? I like the speed bumps adjacent to all the parks and schools.
Corner bulges at 33rd are not needed. A pedestrian operated light may be more useful, it would serve both, bike riders and pedestrians using Gray Park. There is little or no through traffic between 33rd and 41st. Present stop signs are all that is needed.
#13 - Crosswalk nearby. Leave park alone. #14 - Bulges will impede turning traffic. #15 - Existing stop signs are fine. All the more impedance on my way to/from work will require me to drive more through my neighbourhood, which defeats your proposed restriction plan to reduce local traffic! Please don't screw up our neighbourhood (like others) with silly traffic diverters. Thank you!
Traffic circles reduce available street parking.
Traffic circle may pose problem to fire trucks & emergency vehicles, most drivers are not accustomed to it. My two cents of opinion is that speed bumps are better choices. Some cyclists need some sort of regulations or better training, or by-laws, some are worst than motorcycle gang in behaviour/cruising. They seem to be above everyone about traffic lights, signs, stops, crosswalk, (e.g. motorist, pedestrians, motorbike drivers). Maybe something should address to it.
Speed bumps from 22nd - 24th Ave. is a great idea - lots of speeding cars straight through "Stop" sign at 22nd and along by the elementary school. Traffic circle at 24th would be ideal also. Thanks.
As a cyclist, I would like to see traffic lights at Windsor and King Edward and Windsor & 33rd Ave. Putting switches for lights on street for cyclists. Thanks.
ASK TRANSLINK. NO BIKE ROUTE ! ! !
Great proposal!
#7 - At 23rd and Windsor. I think there should be corner bulges. I have seen this done by other schools. Beaconsfield - 22nd and Penticton.
Currently I use the Ontario corridor route to cycle to work. The addition of a Windsor route would be terrific!!
I hope that Glen Drive can receive consideration for speed humps and circles so it doesn't become over used and a speed zone! (especially between 22nd and 25th by the school).
As a cyclist, I find traffic circles very dangerous with cars not knowing what to do. Also, as a pedestrian, a traffic circle gives no obvious right of way. I've seen too many accidents with car-bike and bike-bike and pedestrian-bike.
Go for it !!
This is a waste of money! Traffic circles do not help with the traffic flow. They bunch it up. Vancouverites do not know how to use them. They also end up looking like an overgrown mess.
More safe bike routes are desperately needed in Vancouver. If we had more, more people would cycle. Safety is the number one concern of cyclists.
Traffic circles every 3rd block should be adequate. Same for speed bumps . Slow down (bumps) by the schools.
Street between 39th to 40th Ave. should be repaved.
I would suggest a pedestrian operated traffic light at Windsor and 33rd Ave. because 33rd Ave. carries about as much traffic as Fraser Street.
A traffic circle or other means of slowing traffic at 37th & Windsor (Windsor Castle) should be installed. The present stop sign doesn't slow traffic sufficiently. There are a lot of kids who play in this area.
A waste of money
Would like to see a traffic circle or centre bulge at 37th & Windsor to slow down motorists and cyclists. (Children park - Windsor Castle)
#5 - very much so! We will sponsor it. Windsor & Kingsway - we really think that something needs to be done at this intersection if at all possible. There is a lot of cut through traffic between12th/Kingsway/25th. The median @ 25th will help but cars will still be able to get through with fair ease. what about a right in/right out on the north side of Kingsway? Or even just a thinner median with plants so that it is difficult for there to be 2-3 cars side by side turning left, right or going straight through? I know there are businesses there but I think ICBC is the main one and I think they use St. Catherines more. Access from Kingsway would still be OK. Just some thoughts. #10 - excellent, better than a light. #15 - good, hard to cross here on bike as Windsor jigs over. #17 - less opinion here - usually only ride as far as 37th.
North Windsor Street (East 7th to Broadway) too steep a grade for cycling! Try it one day !!!
A bike route yes, but not near apartment/residential/schools. Vandalism and break-ins could be a possibility.
Any chance of traffic lights at main intersections (e.g. Kingsway, 25th). Keep up the good work. (I commute 45 minutes each way to work on my bike).
Bike route along 28th Avenue ??
Promote all traffic circles as community gardens.
No speed humps. Yes to traffic circles. Windsor between Kingsway and 12th Ave. is like a thoroughfare during rush hour. Traffic should be diverted somewhere, e.g. at 18th Ave. heading south forced to turn west; heading north, forced to turn east. Bikes only can go straight through.
Road not wide enough
Have lanes been considered for bike routes?
Delighted to hear of this proposal. Although I am not a cyclist and I do drive a car, I am very much in favour of improving cycling in the city. We need to encourage the use of bikes. It's surely the way of the future - safety, less pollution.
Important that bicycles should be safe. More bikes (instead of cars) will make Vancouver cleaner, safer and quieter. The traffic circles & speed humps will discourage motorists who use our part of Windsor St. as a fly way
#8 - very important. Hard to cross King Edward anywhere between Fraser & Knight.
Very good idea
We already have enough bike routes. Bike route stalls traffic and it is inconvenient for parking
I feel corner bulges are a hazard on dark winter nights. Maybe fog. They stick out where you are not expecting them. Anyone who has ever driven Windsor, 39-40 it already has speed bumps and has been for many years, it must be the worst section of road in the city. Speed bumps would improve!
What a wonderful plan you have for this busy area. I imagine there will be a traffic light at 25th & Windsor.
Everyone in this area has to buy groceries, gasoline, hardware, etc, and has to use Windsor to get to 12th Avenue. It's the only corner that has a red-green light until you get to Clark (Safeway, Real Canadian Store, COSTCO, Chevron, Revy are all near 12th Ave.) The further you go east on Kingsway, the further 12th Ave. is away and its bumper to bumper traffic. #9 - #17 - Now used.
Put arrow turns at 33rd and 49th on Knight and arrow turn at Victoria - 12th heading south from east.
I ride , I bike, use 37th , Ontario routes, but I honestly have no opinion re the above. Though I can't see installing traffic circles/corner bulges because of cost. It is always surprising to me what we have money for. Also, I've noted a lot of the round-abouts are weed ridden. 45th/37th and Ontario 15th has had a Dairyland milk box & pieces of wood in it for about one year now. Good ideas you guys have but they are not practical. It is same thing at where I work. It's all about aesthetics. Looks nice at first and then the money for upkeep runs out.
Traffic down Windsor is already congested by narrowness with cars parked on each side. Speed bumps and more traffic circles would worsen.
We are home owners which would indicate us as local traffic (Motor Vehicle). I support the beautification of the neighbourhood/area and the bike route. More should be done on the eastside to instill pride. As a home owner and driver of a motor vehicle, I do not support having my movement impaired in my area by centre medians and speed bumps.
Please install a light at Glen and Great Northern Way. I find it very dangerous when trying to get on Great Northern Way from Glen Street. We are new in the area and unable to comment on the need for speed bumps or traffic circles installation.
Sounds great. Good luck! I've been commuting by bike for 3 years and I love it.
I marked "yes" hoping you create bike routes on every street, otherwise it is a waste of money and time.
A pedestrian crossing (zebra crossing etc.) at King Edward Ave. and Windsor St. is imperative for safety of transit users at the bus stop on northwest corner on King Ed. And Windsor.
Very good idea; when buses on strike. So it will work in future too. Good luck!
It would help slow down the traffic on 21st
Traffic circles are very ugly. #6 - Have stop sign already.
Please do not send bicycle in park - Memorial park. #16 - Traffic circle.
I do not know the areas in questions 3 to 19 so I answered them uncertain.
As a bike commuter, I am very excited about this proposal of bike route. It will be a welcome addition!
The area around Britannia Community Centre and Mount Pleasant Community Centre have been improved by traffic circles and bike paths. I drive a car and ride a bike.
Glen and 7th to Great Northern Way is the busiest traffic area. Too many cars, needs safety measures for bikes.
I am in favour of any measures that work toward traffic calming.
#15 - 19 concern for safety of pedestrians and children playing in parks. We would like curbs on Windsor from King Edward Avenue to 26th Ave. #16 - Put a light button.
#12 - What kind? #8 - Will this median block us from getting into Windsor Street and out eastward onto King Edward Avenue? I hope not. Will there be pedestrian/biker controlled crosswalk - lights on the busy intersections? Yes? Great!
Absolutely no more disruptions to the Windsor corridor. Traffic and parking is already a problem. Find another street.
Elgin Street is already busy. What will it be like after this? Haven't you got anything better to do but raise taxes and create cycling routes. Stupid, Stupid.
We strongly oppose using park grounds for thru traffic for bikes or cars. We favour traffic lights on busy intersections (King Edward, 33rd Ave.) Traffic circles preferable to humps.
You guys are wasting a lot of tax payers money, especially low income seniors. If this goes through , this mean taxes go up.
Installing these will cause the street to be more narrow, making it more dangerous to cyclists and drivers alike.
Yes, some traffic circles and speed bumps are fine.....but not in all proposed areas.
Are we still able to park cars on the streets (in front of our houses)?
There are no needs for speed humps on Windsor 39th to 40th Avenue because there is school speed limit.
I own a house on Windsor & 28th, so I would like to see traffic circles in the vicinity.
None
A good idea.
City of Vancouver spends unnecessary money for nothing, like it was such a wide street on 37th Ave. And they made it worse by planting trees for nothing. I hope City will spend money wisely . Thank you.
#7 - We support the bicycle route, but would suggest if humps are going in on Windsor St., they should also be installed on Glen Drive 22nd to 24th to slow the speeds that will switch to Glen Drive and endanger the children crossing there.
I cycle this path to Richmond every day, and I am thrilled to see it being turned into an official bike path! (I travel from 15th and Windsor to Inverness and 63rd then go over Knight bridge. #8 - or a cyclist-activated crossing light.
Unless you plan on enforcing more bike laws, they are very dangerous and the riders every bit as careless as some car drivers. Especially for old people who can't hear well and little children who don't pay attention. The Windsor castle below the hill on 37 ed, the bikes come.
I do not find traffic circles useful. They are not effective and would not support them anywhere - Ontario St is a disaster.
#1 & 2 - Either of. #4 - 19th/Kingsway cycle lights. #8 - also one-way north on south side, one way south on north side (except bicycles) and a light.
Install speed humps on Windsor and 20th and 21st Ave. Install traffic circle at Windsor and 22nd (due to volume of traffic accidents). Install speed humps from 23rd to 24th Ave.
I am glad to see that there are concrete efforts being made to enhance cycling activity in Vancouver.
I ride on Windsor between 31st Ave and 11th Ave on a regular basis to and from work. I would like to see bike-friendly crosswalk push-buttons at each intersection - including Windsor and King Edward which should have a crosswalk installed due to bike and pedestrian traffic (park + school). Glen Park + Elementary School corner needs a cross walk,. bike & pedestrian operable traffic light.
I am against traffic circles. They are annoying to cyclists and motorists, and pose a hazard to pedestrians. If the intention is to slow down car traffic, I advocate speed bumps (and/or corner bulges) before intersections, with no bumps near the curb, for cyclists. Thanks
This survey was received in our garbage.
ASAP
Re Speed Bumps: two narrow gaps should be made to allow bikes in either direction to go through bump (see sketch). Re Great Northern Way and Glen: Pedestrian/cyclists-controlled light urgently needed (dangerous crossing or merging). Speed humps are required in the 900 block East 7th Ave/(a) Park and playground right there (lots of children crossing 7th Ave.) (b) day care centre, (c) bike route on 7th Ave. Thanks.
Yes to all that affect our neighbourhood. #6 - or stop signs. #10 - if its green. We need a light desperately at Windsor or Glen at 25th Ave. It is impossible to get across - dangerous, speeders; need pedestrian crossing
Many thanks. Badly needed changes.
I am very much in favour of this proposal. It is time something was done to curb the car traffic which will help the air quality!
I have only answered yes/no in the areas that I am familiar with and frequent. I do not support traffic circles at every intersection!!
I think it would be a great improvement to the neighbourhood. Are trees planned for other streets? 26th could use them.
Keep up the good work! These sorts of changes create a positive impact on the community. Thanks
Traffic signal light and pedestrian signal light are needed at Glen Street and Great Northern Way. This intersection is too dangerous to cross.
Fix road between 39th and 40th. Too many potholes and it is very dangerous. This needs fixed first. Leave it as it is, the street is very now and gardens are kept nice.
#8 -we need pedestrian cross light. Many pedestrians crossing are young people going to school in the mornings. Drivers are less mindful when they see young people wanting to cross.
Need to ensure that community near parks consulted about paths through park.
It would be nice to have a centre median at Kingsway & Windsor to prevent auto use.
Sign the 15th Ave corridor to connect with the Mosaic bikeway. Make this a bikeway as part of the same project.
Better connections. NB Knight Bridge to Kent. Further calming needed at Kingsway. Implement neighbourhood greenway between 34 - 37 including street closure . Investigate pedestrian signal at 33. Traffic calm Inverness,
I object the bike route proposed through 33rd ave & Windsor St. to Memorial Park because it adds more bike traffic to the local traffic. Also, it will bring more crime at night due to street traffic getting less.
Please consider installing traffic light at Windsor & 33rd where corner path exit through park instead of installing corner bulges..
King Edward is a horrendous street for drivers. It is clogged with traffic, but there is no easy access through the city. I (as a professional driver) think that either the City should limit the number of cars allowed ingress into the city or build roads which make it possible to drive through the city at a reasonable speed (like the Decarie expressway in Montreal), so that sitting traffic doesn't add to the pollution in the city.
I think it should turn from 37th East and right on Ross St., because this will not create traffic jam during school hours between 39th and 40th on Windsor. There are a lot of kids playing during the day. They don't want to be hit by a bike.
I believe the traffic between 33rd and 12th Ave. needs to be calmed down. I see so much speeding going on and THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS IN THE AREA.
Pave & put in curbs between 19th and 20th on Windsor.
A median at 25th and King Edward will divert traffic down Glen Drive and put kids playing in Glen Park at risk!! #10 - traffic light please.
#10 - King Edward and Windsor need to have a traffic light. I live there and traffic is heavy and fast. I've seen near misses with children - I've seen dogs hit there and there's been a fatality. It needs a traffic light!
#8 - Median on King Edward does not seem to be the safest on this busy street.
I think that we should install speed humps from 27th to 26th Ave. There would be such a large gap between King Edward to 28th Avenue that drivers will speed up because they know there won't be any obstacles. Also it is steeper.
Would like to see pedestrian light at Windsor and King Edward Avenue.
Most needed is a crosswalk and traffic light at Windsor & King Edward.
Light at King Edward would be preferable. #9 - or cement calming measure.
I disagree with a bike route thru Memorial Park and Gray Park is a new development and has cost the tax payers a large sum of money. Why wasn't this discussed before this was done. What a waste of money!
Definitely require lights on King Edward. Very busy street with few opportunities to cross.
Should be done ASAP.
1. Windsor & King Edward install traffic light same as Ontario St & King Edward Ave. (2) With the change of traffic flow on Windsor, traffic will increase in the 900 block of East 19th Ave. and the north lane in the 900 block of East 20th Ave. So, by installing speed bumps in the lane of 900 block East 20th Ave.
Kingsway & Windsor intersection should be looked at. Extremely short timed light for length of path to cross Kingsway. It is also a very dangerous intersection with East 19th Ave. intersecting at odd angle. I recommend bulges at the intersections of 17th & 18th on top of the speed humps to further reduce the speed of traffic at the school zone.
19th & Windsor: Stop the traffic (somehow) coming out from 19th to Windsor and go east on Kingsway.
Would like to see traffic light on Windsor and King Edward - too hard to get across speed hump on north lane at 20th Ave. Cars use this as short cuts.
There is a lot of congestion around the corner store on 12th, Windsor (Harry's). It would be fabulous to have a parking lot behind Harry's.
There is a Fire Hall at 24th & Prince Albert that uses these streets a lot. In your efforts to make this city a car free zone, you are putting everyone's safety at risk.
I reject this proposal - street is already too narrow when cars park on both sides.
I live on Windsor, don't find it a traffic problem (cars).
No cars. Make more routes to the city.
#8 - only if the centre median allows access to Windsor southbound turning left off King Edward westbound. I believe we really will need lights at 33rd/Windsor & King Edward/Windsor for the bike route to work. Something unrelated, but very important, is the need for a left turn advance light at King Edward/Knight - eastbound.
Windsor & Ross are two through streets from 41 - 33 Ave. taking traffic from 41st to 33rd. All traffic will come through Ross St. if all the speed bumps, etc. are installed on Windsor. From 37 north to 33rd Ross St. is quite narrow and with trees installed this year, visibility is impaired. I think more consideration should be given to this project.
Nobody obeys stop signs - traffic circles increase safety, especially for kids and in most cases, add colour to the intersection.
We need to install speed humps from Windsor - 33rd to Windsor 35th.
Include plants, trees, etc..... In traffic circles.
Am deeply concerned that I will not be able to take my 20' trailer out because I live on 40th & Windsor. Will it affect it in any way? If so, I cannot remove my trailer. I don't want anything to do with this.
Yes to all proposals.
During rush hours the traffic is extremely congested. This is a "truck route", a very busy one and I find the proposal is not "safe or efficient" for the cyclists & motorists. Far too many cyclists do not follow rules. Besides, the road is too narrow to add a cycle route. VERY DANGEROUS !!!. P.S. the Knight road traffic is bad enough the way it is; let's not make it any worse.
The crosswalk @ 12th and Windsor takes forever to change. Traffic lights needed at Windsor & King Edward - very low visibility! Lots of potholes past Kingsway.
Sorry, I don't want to put my name here.
Have I a qualified voice??? Thanks
How about extending the route into Richmond so that people can bike to work there?
Prior to the strike of City Hall workers (in 1999?), the City had approved the installation of speed humps on East 7th Ave. and this has never been done. If this proposed bike route is approved, then those speed humps are needed because of the speed that some drivers drive at heading east down East 7th Ave. Many drivers drive at excessively high speed and this would be threatening for the cyclist using the bike route.
Any and all measures that increase cycling routes/access and that slow traffic down and make drivers aware at parks/schools of children/pedestrian/cyclists, are positive measures and I support them.
Why don't you ask West End residents for more of the same proposals. Trying to make East Side nicer is not by installing traffic circles or speed bumps. Streets look much cleaner with Stop signs. Bike routes are meant to be in parks and they are free to go anywhere.
I cycle to work often and find NO NO NO value in speed humps or traffic circles, especially on low traffic streets like Windsor. NO speed bumps please.
User-controlled traffic lights at King Edward would be safer for crossing.
I am all for it.
We need to slow the cut through traffic and speed that cars travel through our neighbourhood.
I use Windsor as an artery rather than Fraser St. It's bad enough having stop signs every second block. I was Windsor paved in the early.........(illegible)
Fantastic idea, and long overdue! Perhaps nice signs like they have on Ridgeway?
Speed humps do not slow down bikes. We need enforcement to get them off the side walks.
Why don't you get rid of the prostitutes first? Why not speed bumps at Windsor & 19th? Cars often race for a green light. A prostitute could get killed.
Somerville St. (next west of Windsor between 33rd /37th) will receive overload traffic. Traffic circles (or even speed bumps on 1st W + 1st East street of Windsor) on adjacent streets (i.e. Somerville & 35th). VERY IMPORTANT TO REDUCE RUN OFF").
A demand light at King Edward and Windsor would be a critical part of a successful bike route.
What a great idea! I am not sure about speed bumps to slow through traffic; allow bikes passage & local access. Please make sure to get rid of stop signs, whether by traffic circles or changing direction of the stops. Part of the street need repaving - just south of King Edward, between 39th & 40th. Good luck!
A great idea! Thanks for the effort. Reinforces feeling part of the neighbourhood.
10th Avenue already part of the bike route. The thefts from some bike riders who took our better bikes from the garage increased 50%-fold. So, no more bike route around our area please to stop strange people loiter our area. What is the point having neighbourhood watch !!!
Please consider traffic calming plans for 15th Avenue. We are plagued with speeding commuter vehicles and over height trucks cutting through from Fraser to Knight.
The intersection of E 15th and St. Catherines needs a 4-way stop. The intersection of E. 16th and St. Catherines needs the traffic circle rebuilt on 4-way stop.
Anything that improves the neighbourhood is good for all.
It is my personal belief that installing cyclist buttons at all pedestrian activated stop lights would improve not only pedestrian safety, but also cyclists and motorists. BTW thanks for asking my opinion.
I have been living at this house for 20 years and there are a lot of children in this area. I would love to see a bike route and slow traffic.
I fully support the project. Place traffic circle, speed humps, centre median as you see fit. Thanks
There are a lot of children playing in the area Windsor 11th Avenue corner. The cars are going very fast at that intersection - sometimes they don't stop.
I live at 37th & Windsor. In two years I have witnessed 3 collisions between bikes and cars at this corner. Cars going N or S on Windsor, do not stop when crossing 37th (Ridgeway Bike Path). I would like to see speed bumps here as well.
I think all these installations should be made especially in the Windsor/10th Ave. and Windsor/11th Ave. intersections. This is because I have nearly been hit twice by cars that do not stop and see even though there is a stop sign there.
#16 - what are these (corner bulges)?
#17 - Needs ramp circle.
How about curved curbs @ 12th & Windsor, raised pedestrian walkways with lights @ 12th & Windsor, at schools and parks along the route? I am assuming the lights positions will be moved to allow access for bikes?
#1 - 3: Not part of my route. #8 & #14: Why not bike/pedestrian activated light? These streets are difficult to cross. Speed humps are not much fun on a bicycle.
I don't drive south of King Edward on Windsor , so I am uncertain of the needs in that area.
No speed humps.
Pedestrian control lights installed at major intersections would also be good.
I think the proposed bike route is an excellent idea and I support ANY measure that will reduce traffic along Windsor.
I have marked the areas in my neighbourhood.
I bike to work through Ontario Street a lot. I don't find the traffic circle works as much as the no through works more. (like down at 10th & Ontario). I find a lot of traffic use Ontario instead of Main Street to avoid traffic. I am concerned Windsor would be like that for Knight Street also.
I have lived at this address for 20 years and I have seen the traffic increase to an unacceptable level - hardly a minute goes by when there is not a car, truck, or motorcycle whizzing by. Windsor and 20th are the only through streets from 25th to 33rd and Fraser to Knight. This fact brings a lot of traffic to my neighbourhood.
I am only making comments on my immediate neighbourhood.
As both, a cyclist and car driver, I find traffic circles silly. Everyone has to exercise caution at intersections anyway. And the presence of traffic circles on a route doesn't prevent me from using it as a short-cut in my car. Doesn't even deter.
King Edward is very challenging to cross during rush hours as a pedestrian or cyclist without going to Fraser or Knight.
Need more information. Sorry cannot attend June 20 Open House.
Aesthetically, I prefer traffic circles; however, from a safety point of view, they seem to create some real problems.
Support all measures to slow or calm traffic in East Mount Pleasant. Why does West Mount Pleasant have all the traffic calming measures, with very few east of Kingsway.?
I strongly oppose #8. A median would not slow traffic, would not make crossing King Edward safer for pedestrians or bikes. I am also a home-owner, taxpayer and voter. A median would not slow down the speed of traffic, cars do not stop or slow for anything - not dogs, not bikes, not even for families with children. Also along King Edward, there is a fire hall and an ambulance centre. A median could restrict their movement. Parking for my neighbours and myself would be difficult at best. A pedestrian light would be a safer and perhaps a less expensive alternative. People going to and from Glen Park and Charles Dickens Annex would feel safer and more comfortable with a light. With a median, you are still taking a risk crossing King Edward. A light would reduce this risk and there would be less chance of people being injured.
Speed humps are really annoying on a bike - why drive the cyclists away? Traffic circles are good, but there are too many potential sites here, every 3 - 4 blocks is a good separation.
I have filled out the left column since the areas are near our home.
We already have a stop sign at 38th and the people their child to school don't stop.. Why put in a traffic circle so they can speed around it. #17 - There is already a path through park.
#7 - Would these replace the stop sign at 23rd? (which really slows people down). #8 - How does this compare with a pedestrian/cyclist controlled light? There is no light between Fraser and Knight in a highly populated and mobile community. Windsor would be ideal!
Please note: I only feel qualified making my decisions on the areas in my neighbourhood. I very much support the idea of traffic circles in those areas.
Don't see the need for traffic circles where cross traffic has a stop sign - otherwise, a "yes" to all traffic circles along the route. Good work!
As a cyclist in this city, I support all increases in the number of bike routes.
An expanded network of bike routes is a necessary thing in Vancouver. We support any proposed bike routes.
I don't live on Windsor. I have no children, no bikes ----- 80 years old. Not interested.
I think the bike route is a great idea. The bike route along 10th needs to be improved.
We live a few houses west of Windsor/10th Ave. Traffic is minimal on 10th Ave. because of the part at 10th & Keith. Therefore the traffic cannot connect straight through to Clark Drive.
Windsor/King Edward crossing needs a pedestrian/cyclist controlled traffic light rather than a centre median. Crossing King Edward can be very dangerous, cars speeding & volume. There are no lights between Knight & Fraser for people to cross safely.
#9 - I suggest to install centre median to help reduce traffic on 28th Ave.; #8 - This measure will have the side effect to increase traffic on 28th Ave.; instead, set a controlled light.
Speed bumps NOT a good idea - very hazardous to bikes, particularly at night.
Speed bumps are very dangerous at night because they are hard to see. Also, dangerous for cyclists, especially at night.
Should have a traffic light at Windsor and King Edward.
Install the neighbourhood greenway between 33rd & 37th as promised in the KCC visioning process. - bikeway should be extended north and should connect to Finning Lands via shared bike/pedestrian path through China Creek Park and a bike/pedestrian light across Great Northern Way. This routing would avoid high levels of traffic on Glen between Gr. Northern Way & Broadway. (even with level of traffic on Glen increasing once proposed signal installed at intersection of Glen & Gr. Northern Way. - A speed table would be preferable. A traffic circle at intersection of two bikeways tends to increase chance for conflict . Also, likelihood for cyclists to go around circle in wrong direction, especially travelling northbound on Windsor to westbound 10th. - Traffic calming needed at intersection of 12th & Windsor to discourage vehicles from using this route between Broadway and Kingsway (i.e. diverter on north side of Windsor; a right-in right-out diverter. - Windsor Way Committee. recommends right-in, all-out diverter on south side of Kingsway
The centre median at King Edward would make it so much easier to cross.
I would be very pleased to have a bike route along Windsor and am in favour of any traffic calming necessary to make it safe for cyclists.
There needs to be a traffic circle at Windsor & 37th. The cars run the stop light and the bikes heading west are in a blind spot and going at a clip down the hill; for safety, both bikes and cars need to be slowed down.
Traffic circles should be used so that cyclists don't have to stop at stop signs and thanks for making more bike routes.
Need a pedestrian controlled light.
Sounds great.
I drive to work in Port Moody but I love to bike around these paths you make, they're wonderful - whatever you do will be great! I haven't done proposed route yet but circles are good!
Traffic circle is needed at 38th and Prince Albert. Also, 30 km/h signs from this intersection to 39th at the school. People are always speeding form 37th to 39th along Prince Albert.
I would like to see traffic circles alternate streets off busy streets (i.e. 10th, 11th, 20th & 21st) to keep east/west traffic moving slowly on residential streets. I am in favour of paths through the parks, providing that cycle traffic does not then create a hazard for kids in the park. Not sure when & where speed bumps are effective.
What about pedestrians?!! There is NOWHERE to cross King Edward between Knight & Fraser. Please, please, please install a crosswalk somewhere on this stretch of road.
Windsor is the only route that offers an alternative to using Knight that has a light at Kingsway. If you block King Edward, it will end this route. Knight is too busy for slow drivers!! Be very careful in Gray's Park, the paths in the park are for kids and pedestrians. Bike routes are fine but can you make cyclists use them? A bike on a busy route is stupid; signs that tell people that a bike route is only a block or two away would help.
Good job, Guys!
I would like to see a traffic circle at 26th & 27th & Elgin to slow traffic displaced by the Windsor Bike Route.
Thanks for asking!
Install the neighbourhood greenway between 33rd & 37th as promised in the KCC visioning process. Make the traffic circle at 10th a speed table and add a speed table at 37th & Windsor.
Cyclist/ Pedestrian controlled light is needed to cross King Edward and 33rd Avenue Safely. The volume of traffic makes it a challenging crossing point
This is a great idea! As someone who cycles to work I would welcome this new N/S route. Thank You!
I am in favour of traffic calming efforts on the proposed bikeway, but efforts must be made to discourage traffic from using parallel side streets as through routes (The newly paved St. Catherines in Particular)
Any measure to slow car drivers is helpful and drivers need to be taught to actually drive around circles on left turns
Speed bumps might be best used near schools. As a cyclist who will be using the route for commuting to work I fully support a bike route on Windsor.
1)On St Catherines/ 31 a traffic circle should be considered to slow traffic past the primary school. Part of St Catherines to the north has recently been upgraded which allows greater speed. 2) Need crossing light for 33rd 3)A corner path through Gray Park would cut in too far on the park's south green field. That park was recently redesigned by a landscape architect and the work was done just last summer. The park design should be left alone now. Instead, Corner bulges could be used for a widened sidewalk as was done @ 37th and Fraser. 4)As a cyclist, speed humps on a bikeway are a bad idea. They are a threat to cyclists moving @ speed and the idea of a bikeway is to facilitate biking. If there is space left at the side, cars head for it- causing them to swerve @ cyclists. No speed humps please.